# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 308
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6147 "2025-02-04T11:13:12Z")
I didn’t realize that Lee Ho Fook’s had actually received a Michelin star. Huh. > **[Lee Ho Fook](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Ho_Fook)** > > Lee Ho Fook was a Chinese restaurant located in Chinatown, London at 15–16 Gerrard Street. It was originally located at 4 Macclesfield Street and continued to operate out of that site, known as Lee Ho Fook II, as well as Gerard Street, for several decades. In 1974, it became the first Chinese restaurant in the United Kingdom to be awarded a Michelin Star. The restaurant was referenced in the lyrics of 1978 song "Werewolves of London" by Warren Zevon. > Lee Ho Fook closed in 2008, being replaced ... ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6148 "2025-02-04T15:33:19Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Lee Ho Fook was a real restaurant before Zevon wrote about it in _Werewolves of London_. I stumbled across once walking around Soho and had to eat there. It closed in 2008. The important question is: Was it raining? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6149 "2025-02-04T17:23:28Z")
It was indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6150 "2025-02-04T17:24:42Z")
How was the beef chow mein? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2025, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6151 "2025-02-04T17:29:37Z")
You know, I didn’t order it. I forget what I actually ordered, but I made the conscious decision to get something else. There was a sign in the window about “Werewolves of London” with a picture of Zevon. I saw that before I saw the name Le Ho Fook. This was in the late 1990s IIRC, and I suspect they had lost their Michelin star by then. The food was just OK. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6152 "2025-02-09T03:39:21Z")
In _Hamilton_, King George III is portrayed as kind of crazy. And I knew that in real life George III did go mad during his reign. But I only just now put those two things together, that the way he was portrayed in _Hamilton_ was an intentional reference to his real life madness. (I’m not entirely sure if his madness coincided with the American Revolution, though. I’d have to look that up. It’s possible that was artistic license.) ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6153 "2025-02-09T04:01:10Z")
> [@WildaBeast](#): > > But I only just now put those two things together, that the way he was portrayed in _Hamilton_ was an intentional reference to his real life madness. Yes, which makes his song 'You’ll Be Back" so brilliant. Clearly deranged. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6154 "2025-02-09T04:26:07Z")
Okay, you know the “Pizza! Pizza!” guy, the Little Caesar’s mascot? I have a plush version of him\*, and when I first acquired him, I named him Rodney. For no particular reason, I thought. But perhaps I was thinking of [this Founding Father?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_Rodney) \*He has chest hairs drawn on his front. _That’s_ Italian. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6155 "2025-02-09T05:47:49Z")
[King George III’s **bout of madness in 1788**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Madness_of_King_George) touched off the Regency Crisis of 1788 and triggered a power struggle between factions of Parliament under the Tory Prime Minister William Pitt the Younger and the reform-minded Leader of the Opposition Charles James Fox. So, well after the War. And I must watch that film - Alan Bennett! ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 7:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6156 "2025-02-09T07:27:03Z")
Another one re: “You’ll Be Back”: in contrast with the rest of _Hamilton_, it’s written in a Beatlesque baroque pop style - fittingly for a man who wanted to launch a literal **British invasion**. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2025, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6157 "2025-02-09T09:00:53Z")
And another one: its genesis was Lin-Manuel Miranda asking Hugh Laurie what George would say to the colonists, and Laurie quipping “You’ll be back!” ---
**Author:** ![EnolaStraight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@EnolaStraight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EnolaStraight)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6158 "2025-02-10T02:14:47Z")
Glen Glenn [Glen Glenn Sound - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Glenn_Sound) ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2025, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6159 "2025-02-10T02:52:30Z")
Huh, I thought that was going to be a bay named after a valley. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6160 "2025-02-22T03:44:44Z")
I saw a mention of Benjamin Disraeli today and it reminded me of watching a miniseries about him on _Masterpiece Theater_ back when I was in high school. I looked the miniseries up on Wikipedia and I was surprised to see Disraeli had been played by Ian McShane. I saw McShane when he played in _Deadwood_ and I didn’t recognize him from that earlier role. In my defense, there was a twenty-six year gap between the two performances. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6161 "2025-02-22T20:31:35Z")
I’m pretty sure the Disraeli role was the first time I noticed McShane. So, I definitely remember him. > [@Askance](#): > > And of course, in Catch 22 there is Major Major Major. Wasn’t it Major Major Major Major? ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6162 "2025-02-22T21:28:11Z")
I’m watching one of my favorite movies, **Day of the Dead** on Amazon right now and just realized the soldiers are openly growing Marijuana next to the helipad. ---
**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6163 "2025-02-22T23:43:48Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Wasn’t it Major Major Major Major? IIRC he was named Major Major Major by his father, and naturally rose to the rank of Major later on. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2025, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6164 "2025-02-22T23:50:22Z")
Well, for some values of “naturally”. Basically, he got his rank because the Army bureaucracy couldn’t cope with the concept of that being his name. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6165 "2025-02-23T01:44:06Z")
Right. It was “inevitable,” but not natural. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2025, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6166 "2025-02-23T18:27:15Z")
I just realized this last night… I saw Animal House when it first came out, and I’ve been a big fan ever since. For some reason, I was thinking about the characters - Otter, Pinto, Boon (baboon), Flounder, Stork and I realized “Hey - they’re all animals!” I had never put 2+2 together. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=307) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=309)