# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 336
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6707 "2025-11-12T19:03:29Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > > > So build a bridge out of her? Or just see if she weighs the same as a duck? > > Pronounced WOE-den, although I’m sure I’m being whooshed. It’s a reference to [Monty Python and the Holy Grail](https://youtu.be/yp_l5ntikaU?si=mPQkb1PQwYjQ3O9B). ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6708 "2025-11-12T19:49:11Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > OTOH, you could create dirty name combos today that wouldn’t go public in 1968. Same-sex marriage also opens up new possibilities, like if Summer Glau married Dana Wynter. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6709 "2025-11-12T19:56:21Z")
But Dana Glau isn’t a funny name! (/s) ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6710 "2025-11-12T20:24:23Z")
“Wanda Hughes Kissinger now” was always a favorite. “Nguyen” offers many possibilities. Then there was that notorious Cuban/Algonquin courtesan, Havana Manitou. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6711 "2025-11-12T21:24:25Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Wanda Hughes Kissinger now” was always a favorite. That’s a good one, but it can be improved. If Wanda Hughes joined a polycule with Hungarian serial killer Bela Kiss and Hong Kong serial killer Charles Ng and New Zealand scholar Andrew Jur and American conman Clifford Noe, they’d be known collectively as Wanda Hughes-Kiss-Ng-Gerr-Noe. Hyphenated names also create dirty possibilities. If musician Roxanne Seeman married Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, she’d be Roxanne Wales-Seeman. And her middle name is Joy. Or if American writers Barbara Seaman and Nancy Holder got married, they would be the oxymoronic Seaman-Holders. Not sure if this is a cliff we should jump off of. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6712 "2025-11-12T21:53:48Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Wanda Hughes joined a polycule with Hungarian serial killer Bela Kiss and Hong Kong serial killer Charles Ng and New Zealand scholar Andrew Jur and American conman Clifford Noe, they’d be known collectively as Wanda Hughes-Kiss-Ng-Gerr-Noe. Doesn’t work. As my wife points out, the last name is pronounced “No-E.” ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6713 "2025-11-13T00:16:15Z")
I know, I know. But I couldn’t find a single name that sounded more like Now. Those who are bothered can strip it off and go with Kiss-Ng-Jur but stick with now. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2025, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6714 "2025-11-13T02:33:07Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > It’s a reference to [Monty Python and the Holy Grail](https://youtu.be/yp_l5ntikaU?si=mPQkb1PQwYjQ3O9B). Okay, I can see that, but again only if “Woden” is mispronounced. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6715 "2025-11-19T14:27:28Z")
I learned this on a YouTube video: In The Wizard of Oz, Glinda asked Dorothy if she brought her broomstick with her. When she answers no, Glinda tells her she’ll have to walk. Dorothy literally brought her whole house to Oz, are we do believe that Auntie Em didn’t have a broom in the house? ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6716 "2025-11-19T14:46:15Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > When she answers no, Glinda tells her she’ll have to walk. Dorothy literally brought her whole house to Oz, are we do believe that Auntie Em didn’t have a broom in the house? I think Dorothy can be forgiven for not thinking about the broom closet – she’d just been through a traumatic tornado that involved her in involuntary witchslaughter. But I think she probably understood that Glinda was asking about a riding broom, like a Nimbus 2000, and she certainly didn’t have one of those. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6717 "2025-11-19T17:41:34Z")
Auntie Em was sweeping the porch when the tornado hit, and took it down in the cellar with her. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6718 "2025-11-19T17:48:43Z")
> [@CalMeacham](#): > > But I think she probably understood that Glinda was asking about a riding broom, like a Nimbus 2000, and she certainly didn’t have one of those. I can’t remember when the Harry Potter books were written, but ‘2000’ used to be an indicator of the future; the best, most advanced of anything. I suspect that’s what Rowling intended. The time is coming (if we’re not there already) when it will seem quaint and old fashioned. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6719 "2025-11-19T17:51:09Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > Okay, I can see that, but again only if “Woden” is mispronounced. Or in a British accent. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6720 "2025-11-19T17:55:10Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > are we do believe that Auntie Em didn’t have a broom in the house Remember, in the movie (but not in the novel) Oz is just a dream. Nothing has to be realistic about what happens. The house is blown into the air and then set back down without breaking into pieces. Not having a broom is minor in comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6721 "2025-11-19T18:16:53Z")
Rebecca Ferguson is a great British actress. Today I saw a picture of her and here was the thought process. Wait! Did she play Jenny Lind in _The Greatest Showman_? But that actress was Swedish In fact, I was bothered by the fact that the actress playing Lind spoke Swedish but they never had her speak Swedish in the film. **HOLY $#!^** Rebecca Ferguson is Swedish. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6722 "2025-11-19T18:31:59Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I can’t remember when the Harry Potter books were written, but ‘2000’ used to be an indicator of the future; first book published 1997, but set several years earlier in 1991. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6723 "2025-11-19T18:48:54Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I can’t remember when the Harry Potter books were written, but ‘2000’ used to be an indicator of the future; the best, most advanced of anything. I suspect that’s what Rowling intended. > > The time is coming (if we’re not there already) when it will seem quaint and old fashioned. It’s not only here, we’ve already passed it. Conan O’Brien started doing his “In the Year 2000” sketches in 1994, where the joke was that they were still treating 2000 as some distant future, instead of something that was right around the corner. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6724 "2025-11-19T19:00:45Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > ‘2000’ used to be an indicator of the future; A.K.A. “the 21st century” **2001: A Space Odyssey** movie released 1968¹ **Death Race 2000** 1975 film **2000 AD** British comic magazine first published in 1977 **Cherry 2000** movie released 1987 What others? ETA: ¹Apparently Clarke was a stickler for centuries beginning in the year ending in 01. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6725 "2025-11-19T19:12:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Conan O’Brien started doing his “In the Year 2000” sketches in 1994… … and continued them after 2000, which I found hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/6726 "2025-11-19T19:12:51Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > **2000 AD** British comic magazine first published in 1977 And still going, with the same title. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=335) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=337)