# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 366
**Author:** ![LurkMeister](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/3da27b/32.png) [@LurkMeister](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LurkMeister)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2026, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7307 "2026-09-09T22:03:20Z")
I’ll have to dig out my DVD and watch it again to refresh my memory. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2026, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7308 "2026-09-10T00:13:53Z")
For musicals with actual rape scenes, you’ve got _Man of La Mancha_ (although fortunately the actual rape occurs offstage). It’s quite dark for a musical, all things considered. ---
**Author:** ![fachverwirrt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/94ad74/32.png) [@fachverwirrt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fachverwirrt)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2026, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7309 "2026-09-10T00:31:06Z")
And Sweeney Todd. Which may or may not occur off-stage depending on how it’s staged. Speaking of dark… ---
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2026, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7310 "2026-09-10T01:45:46Z")
I was asked to play guitar for _MolM_ at my old high school and they had the rape scene right up front. And nobody made an unscheduled appearance saying, “What’s all this, then?” ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2026, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7311 "2026-09-10T04:06:51Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Umm, I do not think so. BD had one big star. Easy Rider- was like a stylized American flag. > > [https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?SeriesID=22317865](https://www.mycomicshop.com/search?SeriesID=22317865) That is correct. The Walden College helmet was white with a green star. Later he became the 3rd string quarterback of the LA Rams. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7312 "2026-09-16T22:59:33Z")
In _The Cheap Detective_, the characters are all hunting down a collection of egg-shaped diamonds, which turn out to be actual eggs when they hatch. In other words, an **egg MacGuffin**. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2026, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7313 "2026-09-16T23:09:18Z")
What hatches out of a diamond-shelled egg? ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7314 "2026-09-17T00:58:17Z")
😳 OMG. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7315 "2026-09-17T04:14:41Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > In _The Cheap Detective_, the characters are all hunting down a collection of egg-shaped diamonds, which turn out to be actual eggs when they hatch. In other words, an **egg MacGuffin**. The Egg mc Muffin came out 4 years later than the film, I wonder if they go the idea from that? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7316 "2026-09-17T06:36:42Z")
Egg McMuffin was introduced in 1971 and was national by 1974, this film was released in 1978. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 7:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7317 "2026-09-17T07:03:39Z")
Add to that, an egg with Canadian bacon on an English muffin was not invented by McDonald’s. It’s Eggs Benedict with a fully cooked egg and cheese instead of Hollandaise sauce so it can be eaten “on the go”. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7318 "2026-09-17T12:44:44Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Add to that, an egg with Canadian bacon on an English muffin was not invented by McDonald’s. > It’s Eggs Benedict with a fully cooked egg and cheese instead of Hollandaise sauce so it can be eaten “on the go”. I suppose that’s true, but those changes (especially omitting the Hollandaise sauce) make it pretty far removed from anything I would consider to be “Eggs Benedict.” But the real innovation was the egg mold for the grill and the procedure that was developed so that a McDonald’s employee could crank them out on a grill like hamburgers. (I made thousands of them while working there as a teenager.) ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7319 "2026-09-17T13:20:28Z")
I was wondering if crowmanycrows was having us on. I mean I just had egg fried rice for breakfast. That dish that the Chinese modified slightly from Central Asian polo. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7320 "2026-09-17T18:09:52Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Egg McMuffin was introduced in 1971 and was national by 1974, this film was released in 1978. Somehow I read 1968 for the film. My error. > [@robby](#): > > I suppose that’s true, but those changes (especially omitting the Hollandaise sauce) make it pretty far removed from anything I would consider to be “Eggs Benedict.” So, it is not Eggs benedict, it just has two of the same ingredients. ---
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7321 "2026-09-17T18:17:55Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > > [@robby](#): > > > > I suppose that’s true, but those changes (especially omitting the Hollandaise sauce) make it pretty far removed from anything I would consider to be “Eggs Benedict.” > > So, it is not Eggs benedict, it just has two of the same ingredients. Actually three: English muffin, egg, and Canadian bacon. But the egg is hard-cooked and it doesn’t have Hollandaise sauce, which is the defining characteristic of Eggs Benedict. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7322 "2026-09-17T18:19:26Z")
> {Herb} Peterson created the Egg McMuffin as a way to introduce breakfast to McDonald’s, Fraker {Monte Fraker, vice president of operations for McDonald’s restaurants in Santa Barbara California } said. > > “Peterson was very partial to eggs Benedict,” Fraker said, and worked on creating something similar. > [Egg McMuffin inventor Herb Peterson dies at 89](https://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-peterson27mar27-story.html) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7323 "2026-09-17T18:23:56Z")
> [@robby](#): > > Actually three: English muffin, egg, and Canadian bacon. > > But the egg is hard-cooked and it doesn’t have Hollandaise sauce, which is the defining characteristic of Eggs Benedict. Good points, I was not thinking of the muffin as an ingredient. Before a trip I sometimes make “International sandwiches” for us- they can be eaten in the car, etc- English Muffin, Canadian Bacon and American Cheese (real American cheese, mind you). Personally, if i have to get a breakfast sandwich at McDs it is the sausage biscuit with cheese. The local McDs is so bad, most locals avoid it. I will only eat the fries or “hash browns” from there. But we have a plethora of fast food here. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2026, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/7324 "2026-09-17T19:37:20Z")
> [@robby](#): > > But the egg is hard-cooked and it doesn’t have Hollandaise sauce, which is the defining characteristic of Eggs Benedict. I recall hearing somewhere (I think from the Tasting History Youtube channel) that the original idea was that the Egg McMuffin would have Hollandaise sauce. They wanted to send powdered Hollandaise to the restaurants where it would then be reconstituted. But upon testing the idea they figured out that the reconstituted Hollandaise sauce wasn’t very good, and Peterson hit on the idea of replacing it with a slice of cheese. ETA: Found the cite [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/EEzmfjGVbNw/maxresdefault.jpg "5 Foods that Changed Fast Food Forever (ft. @mythicalkitchen)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEzmfjGVbNw&t=1389) ---
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> [@Horatius](#): > > Have I got a video for you! > > “…well, not pillaging, anyways…” That is hilarious, and a bit sobering. I seem to remember some bit of historical trivia that Vikings were very well dressed and smelled nice, so some women had kind of idealized them and it wasn’t very hard for them to get around, consensually. I’m not sure if that’s true. ---
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