# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![Electric\_Warrior](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@Electric\_Warrior](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Electric_Warrior)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2010, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/741 "2010-02-22T23:51:17Z")
> [@BACI](#): > > The Queen song “We Are the Champions” is a waltz! > > Well, it’s in waltz time anyway - 3/4 rather than the usual 4/4 used for anthems. Isn’t “We Are the Champions” in 6/8? (“one two three FOUR five six” vs “ONE two three, ONE two three”) ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2010, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/742 "2010-02-24T14:24:03Z")
About three months ago I read Maraget Salinger’s book about her daddy J.D. I was re-reading several parts yesterday when I looked at the title: Dream Catcher. As in Catcher in the Rye. ---
**Author:** ![Emily\_Litella](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emily_litella/32/3370_2.png) [@Emily\_Litella](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emily_Litella)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2010, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/743 "2010-03-05T18:36:28Z")
It wasn’t until today, some 40 to 45 years later that I realized they got the name for Yogi Bear from Yogi Berra. I guess I’m not smarter than the average bear. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/744 "2010-04-06T13:22:51Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > About a week or two ago when I was watching “Glee”, I suddenly realized that the hand gesture they use for the “L” in the logo (index finger up, thumb out) is the same gesture used to indicate “Loser”, which is what everyone in the Glee Club is considered by the rest of the school. The cast o Glee is on Oprah tomorrow, Wednesday April 7th. The TV ad promoting the show start the “Wednesday” with the hand signal “W” used for Winner, which the show is. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/745 "2010-10-07T13:48:51Z")
As a child, my favorite cereal was Trix. I loved the taste, the colors, and the commercials. So why did it just pop into my head this morning that Trix = tricks = magic = rabbit?😕 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/746 "2010-10-07T16:28:17Z")
> [@Emily\_Litella](#): > > It wasn’t until today, some 40 to 45 years later that I realized they got the name for Yogi Bear from Yogi Berra. I guess I’m not smarter than the average bear. Seven months late: too bad you’re wrong, [at least according to his creators](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogi_bear#Personality). ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2010, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/747 "2010-10-07T22:54:43Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > [@Emily\_Litella](#): > > > > It wasn’t until today, some 40 to 45 years later that I realized they got the name for Yogi Bear from Yogi Berra. I guess I’m not smarter than the average bear. > > Seven months late: too bad you’re wrong, [at least according to his creators](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogi_bear#Personality). They denied getting the name from Yogi Berra, but does anyone find that to be plausible? I’m sure it wasn’t based on his character, but there’s no way they didn’t borrow the name. ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/748 "2010-10-08T00:07:45Z")
We discussed this in another thread. Hanna and Barbera probably denied taking the name from Yogi Berra to avoid getting sued. Berra probably decided that it wasn’t worth the bother suing them, since he found it to be good publicity. My memory from childhood was that everybody knew what the name Yogi Bear was based on. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/749 "2010-10-08T12:54:51Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Dave Brubeck’s Take Five is in 5/4 time. I found that out about 3 months ago while I was looking at sheet music for it. I’ve got you beat for obliviousness. I was dragged to see “some old jazz dude” in college. Hey, I’m a rock ‘n’ roll guy, but this Brubeck character wasn’t bad… But I didn’t like all the hecklers. I mean, yelling at this guy to take a break? That’s just rude. \*\*_(Yeah, a good chunk of the audience would randomly call out “Take Five!”)_ \*\* ps: Annie, thanks for resurrecting an always-appropriate thread. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/750 "2010-10-08T16:06:15Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > My memory from childhood was that everybody knew what the name Yogi Bear was based on. Everybody has “known” a lot of things that were wrong. Did they ever posit a reasonable alternative explanation or did they just deny that Bear was based on Berra? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/751 "2010-10-08T16:22:03Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > > [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > > > My memory from childhood was that everybody knew what the name Yogi Bear was based on. > > Everybody has “known” a lot of things that were wrong. Did they ever posit a reasonable alternative explanation or did they just deny that Bear was based on Berra? We apparently did this six months ago and the consensus seems to be that H-B just denied it, never offering their own explanation for the name. > **[Yogi Bear? Yogi Berra?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=556616)** > > Did the name for the cartoon bear, Yogi Bear, come from the famous ball player, Yogi Berra? Any relation? What’s the SDope on this? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/752 "2010-10-08T16:54:47Z")
That does make it more likely that they were just ass-covering, then. Ignorance fought. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2010, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/753 "2010-10-09T00:27:24Z")
Yeah, what’s the last word on the naming of the Baby Ruth candy bar? ---
**Author:** ![NetTrekker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nettrekker/32/2909_2.png) [@NetTrekker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NetTrekker)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/754 "2010-10-10T01:53:08Z")
> [@bup](#): > > > [@Stoid](#): > > > > Scarecrow wants a brain…yet he’s the smartest guy in the group who comes up with all the ideas. > > Tinman wants a heart, but he’s a sentimental lug. > > Cowardly lion wants courage, and he’s the toughest SOB there. > > > > Duh. > > Oh yeah. **Wizard of Oz** is just a series of embarrassments for me. > > I was probably 13 before I realized the farmhands were the same actors as the traveling companions in Oz. > > I was in college I think when I realized Scarecrow was smartest, Tin Man the most loving, and the lion was the bravest. > > I was a couple years _out of college_ when I realized the wizard sent them on a quest because he wanted them to die, or at least be taken prisoner by the witch, so they wouldn’t be his problem. It wasn’t until “much later” that I found out the words to the flying monkeys’ chant, and it still creeps me out a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/755 "2010-10-10T02:26:20Z")
Okay, I’ll bite. What ARE the words to the flying monkeys’ chant? ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/756 "2010-10-10T02:50:31Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Okay, I’ll bite. What ARE the words to the flying monkeys’ chant? Paging **Skald!** Paging **Skald!** If anyone would know the words to the war chants of flying attack monkeys, I would think it would be **Skald**. ---
**Author:** ![Telperion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telperion/32/509_2.png) [@Telperion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telperion)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/757 "2010-10-10T03:02:49Z")
According to IMDB, the chant in the script is “O-Ee-Yah! Eoh-Ah!”. I have no idea what that means in monkeyese. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/758 "2010-10-10T03:59:07Z")
Doing a quick search, I found [this](http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060909024118AAPPiAN): **“There are many alleged lyrics to the ‘Winkie Chant’ performed by the Witch’s guards, including ‘All we own, we owe her’, ‘Oh we love the old one’, and ‘Oh we loathe the old one’. However, the correct version, seen in the film’s screenplay, is ‘O-Ee-Yah! Eoh-Ah!’ and any other interpretations are simply the result of the listener’s mind treating the chant as an audio ink blot.”** ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/759 "2010-10-10T07:19:37Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > Yeah, what’s the last word on the naming of the Baby Ruth candy bar? Not the last word but it’s pretty much the same as the Yogi Bear/Yogi Berra situation: too close to be a coincidence but the actual namers will never admit that. In the case of the candy bar, the company claimed that it was named after “Baby Ruth” Cleveland, Grover Cleveland’s daughter who was something of a media sensation at the time of her birth. But Ruth Cleveland was born in 1891 (and died in 1904). Babe Ruth the baseball player signed with the Yankees in 1919 and quickly became a celebrity. And the Curtiss Candy Company decided to rename one of their candy bars Baby Ruth in 1921. So you have to ask, were they naming it after the most famous athlete in the country or after a minor deceased celebrity whose fame has occurred thirty years earlier? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2010, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/760 "2010-10-10T12:57:27Z")
I finally realized one of the things that makes **The Princess Bride** such a great movie. I’ve heard a lot of interviews with actors who say that it’s most fun to play bad guys. And those really are great roles, sometimes; all the yelling and plotting and scheming. Alan Rickman was great in _Die Hard_, and every comic book or James Bond movie usually has a juicy role for the head villian. They get the lines that everyone remembers and quotes; “no, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!” (Were there even any good guys in _Pulp Fiction_?) I suspect it’s been that way for as long as their have been mustaches to twirl. _The Princess Bride_ is the only movie I can think of that gives all the great lines to the good guys. Prince Humperdinck and Count Rugen are pretty thankless roles. The Albino has only one scene, really. Vizzini is great, but is dead soon enough. Think about all the great characters and memorable, quotable lines from _The Princess Bride_, and it’s always the good guys. I really can’t think of another movie that does that. > [@digs](#): > > I’ve got you beat for obliviousness. I was dragged to see “some old jazz dude” in college. Hey, I’m a rock ‘n’ roll guy, but this Brubeck character wasn’t bad… > > But I didn’t like all the hecklers. I mean, yelling at this guy to take a break? That’s just rude. > > \*\*_(Yeah, a good chunk of the audience would randomly call out “Take Five!”)_ > \*\* There’s a singer I like who does a song called _You’re No Good_. I don’t think it gets requested very often. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=39)