# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![enomaj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/59ef9b/32.png) [@enomaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enomaj)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/81 "2009-07-29T13:25:08Z")
> [@enomaj](#): > > OK. I knew who General Lee was. I knew what the Confederate flag looked like but… > > I watched most of the Dukes of Hazzard before putting 2 and 2 together.I The tv show when i waa a kid. ---
**Author:** ![sandra\_nz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eada6e/32.png) [@sandra\_nz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sandra_nz)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/82 "2009-07-29T13:55:57Z")
I only recently realised that the badge for VW was a V on top of a W. I always thought it was just one big W and you were just supposed to look at the ‘first half’ of it for the V. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/83 "2009-07-29T14:44:00Z")
Either I’m really stupid and still don’t get the significance of “Rosemary’s Baby” and the A in the models of Audis, or it’s just always been so clear to me that I don’t understand what could be “hidden” about either of them. Can someone spell out the point of both of those entries, in really easy to understand words? Thanks. The last time (or one of the last times) we did this thread, I pointed out that just that morning I had been sitting behind a Saturn at a stoplight and the lightbulb went off over my head upon realizing that the logo is an image of a portion of the planet Saturn, with the rings around it. Until that point I just saw it as a generically swoopy image. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/84 "2009-07-29T14:57:46Z")
I’ve never heard or read of anyone making the same realization as I did about Beckett’s “Waiting For Godot”, which I read in high school. For some reason, Vladimir and Estragon refer to one another as “Didi” and “Gogo”. Only a year or two later, after I started taking first-year Mandarin at the university, did I realize that those pet names are actually Mandarin for “litte brother” and “big brother”. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/85 "2009-07-29T14:59:39Z")
So, am I being whooshed with the Brown Eyed Girl ref, or do people really think it’s about anal sex? ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/86 "2009-07-29T15:06:33Z")
Anyone besides me think that the intro to Friends was the women first and then the men, not realizing until the millionth time watching it that it’s also alsphabetically by last name? ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/87 "2009-07-29T15:11:36Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > Anyone besides me think that the intro to Friends was the women first and then the men, not realizing until the millionth time watching it that it’s also alsphabetically by last name? That actually took me a while. I think it sank it when Courtney Cox added the Arquette to her name and was therefore before Jennifer Anniston. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/88 "2009-07-29T15:22:14Z")
To help with the Rosemary’s Baby thing … I think Annie is suggesting that rather than be an opposite to Mary’s baby, ie. Jesus, having the mother of the son of the devil being named Rosemary is merely a Mary-like name. This points up the fact that he is, in fact, the son of the Devil not just the freakie looking son of a whacked out housewife. I think. And FWIW, I think the allegation that Brown Eyed Girl is about anal sex is latter-day bullshit. It’s not like there aren’t any actual girls with brown eyes for heavens sake, and that the eyes are an outstanding feature, worthy of writing songs about (see: all the other songs alluding to eyes). ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/89 "2009-07-29T15:24:54Z")
> [@Ellen\_Cherry](#): > > And FWIW, I think the allegation that Brown Eyed Girl is about anal sex is latter-day bullshit. It’s not like there aren’t any actual girls with brown eyes for heavens sake, and that the eyes are an outstanding feature, worthy of writing songs about (see: all the other songs alluding to eyes). I read that it was originally supposed to be called Brown Skinned Girl, about a black girl. That would make more sense than the anal sex thing, since someone else mentioned that brown eyes often = black, earlier in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/90 "2009-07-29T15:30:00Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > That actually took me a while. I think it sank it when Courtney Cox added the Arquette to her name and was therefore before Jennifer Anniston. Why would that matter in the placement of their names? ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/91 "2009-07-29T16:02:20Z")
> [@Nobody](#): > > I mentioned this in another thread before, but I don’t know how many years I heard the song _ **Life in the Fast Lane** _ before I realized that “there were lines on the mirror” was referring to cocaine. Maybe, maybe not. When I was in college I took a class called Analysis of Song Lyrics. We pulled this one apart. We came up with three (maybe more) explanations for that line: -Lines of cocaine on a mirror -Cracks in a rearview mirror after a car crash -Facial wrinkles Our conclusion was that it was all three and so packed with meaning. We may have been reading too much into it, though. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/92 "2009-07-29T16:07:50Z")
> [@Sauron](#): > > Why would that matter in the placement of their names? Yeah…it really wouldn’t. I have no idea what I was thinking. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/93 "2009-07-29T16:17:33Z")
> [@Stauderhorse](#): > > Just now. > > Goldilocks and the Three Bears. > > Gold-i-locks. > > Gold locks = blond hair. > > Duh. It wasn’t until We were reading fairy tales in High School German that I understood Cinderella. "Aschenputtel? Oh like ashy girl because she is dirty from cleaning the fireplace. Too bad they didn’t use a clever name like that in English for Cinder…[sub]ellla[/sub] :smack::smack::smack: ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/94 "2009-07-29T16:47:59Z")
> [@corkboard](#): > > Either I’m really stupid and still don’t get the significance of “Rosemary’s Baby” and the A in the models of Audis, or it’s just always been so clear to me that I don’t understand what could be “hidden” about either of them. Can someone spell out the point of both of those entries, in really easy to understand words? Thanks. Yeah, I’ve asked twice about the A in Audi A4/6/8. I still don’t get it. For anyone who does, could you please explain? ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/95 "2009-07-29T16:53:09Z")
> [@Hippy\_Hollow](#): > > Yeah, I’ve asked twice about the A in Audi A4/6/8. I still don’t get it. For anyone who does, could you please explain? Bah. Even after **Ellen Cherry** so kindly tried to explain, the Rosemary’s Baby thing is still not resonating with me. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/96 "2009-07-29T16:54:35Z")
> [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > Bah. Even after **Ellen Cherry** so kindly tried to explain, the Rosemary’s Baby thing is still not resonating with me. I think the problem is that it’s too simple. Mary’s baby was Jesus. Rosemary’s baby was the antiChrist. It’s just kind of fun that Rosemary has “Mary” in it. Ira Levin liked putting in word games/plays on words in his books…this isn’t really a complicated one. ---
**Author:** ![FalconFinder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@FalconFinder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FalconFinder)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/97 "2009-07-29T17:09:01Z")
> [@corkboard](#): > > \ > The last time (or one of the last times) we did this thread, I pointed out that just that morning I had been sitting behind a Saturn at a stoplight and the lightbulb went off over my head upon realizing that the logo is an image of a portion of the planet Saturn, with the rings around it. Until that point I just saw it as a generically swoopy image. I \*OWNED \*my Saturn for more than 5 years before I finally noticed the logo was a portion of the planet! :eek: Often, during those years, I’d see what I thought was a cool logo, but always wondered why they didn’t just use the planet. Then, one day I was looking at my car and the logo in passing and it struck me. I must have laughed for 20 minutes when I realized my mistake all that time! I still see the two line “swoopy” thing more than the planet and I like it fine that way! 😃 * * * As for the Audi thing, I would assume A=Audi. The numbers would stand for the number of cylinders it has. ---
**Author:** ![corkboard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@corkboard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/corkboard)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/98 "2009-07-29T18:13:01Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > I think the problem is that it’s too simple. Mary’s baby was Jesus. Rosemary’s baby was the antiChrist. It’s just kind of fun that Rosemary has “Mary” in it. Ira Levin liked putting in word games/plays on words in his books…this isn’t really a complicated one. So is the “Rose” supposed to equate somehow to “anti”, or something, or is it meaningless? ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/99 "2009-07-29T18:34:15Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > I’ve never heard or read of anyone making the same realization as I did about Beckett’s “Waiting For Godot”, which I read in high school. For some reason, Vladimir and Estragon refer to one another as “Didi” and “Gogo”. Only a year or two later, after I started taking first-year Mandarin at the university, did I realize that those pet names are actually Mandarin for “litte brother” and “big brother”. Huh. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/100 "2009-07-29T18:37:53Z")
> [@corkboard](#): > > So is the “Rose” supposed to equate somehow to “anti”, or something, or is it meaningless? I think it’s just meaningless. It just sounds cool because it has a “Mary” in it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=6)