# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1041 "2011-04-17T15:51:57Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > From the earliest drafts, the ship was always called “Enterprise.” I don’t see any reason to suppose that it was based on the Endeavour. Yepper. According to [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise), the WWII aircraft carrier Enterprise was the most decorated ship in U.S. Naval history. The Continental Army had two ships named Enterprise, and the U.S. Navy has had six. So, if you want people to think, _Endeavour_, you don’t want to call a ship _Enterprise_. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1042 "2011-04-17T16:19:24Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Well, sort of backwards. That would actually be “Skoorb.” But Skroob does sound better. Also sounds like ‘Screw’, which is the only joke I saw in it until these posts. :o ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1043 "2011-04-17T16:26:21Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > …the synthesizer solo immediately following that line is playing the same rhythm and intervals as the bass line from the Queen/David Bowie song “Under Pressure” that Vanilla Ice sampled in his song, “Ice Ice Baby”. It’s not immediately obvious because a) it’s not the bass playing it, and b) it changes with the chords instead of just being the same notes over and over like the original. That reminds me, somehow: I didn’t recognize the melody of “Don’t Stand So Close To Me” in Sting’s cameo intro to Dire Straits’ “Money for Nothing” until 1999 or so. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1044 "2011-04-17T18:49:14Z")
> [@Larry\_Mudd](#): > > That reminds me, somehow: I didn’t recognize the melody of “Don’t Stand So Close To Me” in Sting’s cameo intro to Dire Straits’ “Money for Nothing” until 1999 or so. The story behind that was that Sting happened to be in the same studio while Knopfler was recording that song, and overheard that bit, recognizing it as the same melody. He pointed this out to Knopfler, then offered to let him use it as long as he (Sting) could sing it. ---
**Author:** ![Jenaroph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e8c25b/32.png) [@Jenaroph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jenaroph)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1045 "2011-04-19T05:52:39Z")
The Wizard of Oz was on the other day, and having seen it a brazillion times I figured I’d spotted just about everything, and this may not fit the criteria of “obvious” but…watch the scene where the Tinman, Scarecrow and Lion are creeping up on the castle and get jumped from behind by the guards. When they poke their heads back up and are wearing the uniforms as disguises, look for Toto. He’s disguised too - he has one of the red tassels in his mouth. Good boy. You’ll blend right in. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1046 "2011-04-19T12:19:12Z")
“I just can’t wait to be King” popped up on my iPod and I was thinking what an awkward phrase they had concocted in “wildly out of wing” just to rhyme with King. Then it dawned on me many years after having first seen The Lion King. That line is sung by a bird, who would of course say “out of wing” instead of “out of hand”. Doh! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Jay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b77776/32.png) [@The\_Jay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Jay)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1047 "2011-04-19T16:00:37Z")
Christ, I couldn’t read any more of the stupid argument with caligula. I hope it is resolved by the time I post this but caliglua, taglines are generally a pun ON a movie title. Having “Deux” pronounced as “duh” in the movie title means there’s no reason for a “Lets Deux it” pun. END OF STORY. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1048 "2011-04-19T16:44:18Z")
Oh no. Did you \*really \*have to open that back up? ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2011, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1049 "2011-04-19T17:53:40Z")
Futurama: When Fry “dies” and they have a funeral, Amazonian Woman sobs, “he give good snoo snoo!” Accompanied by all the women fry slept with in the show. About the 20th time I saw this episode I noticed the radiator sitting conspicuously nearby and suddenly realized it was the “Radiator alien from the Radiator Planet” fry made out with in the Ms Universe pageant. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1050 "2011-04-20T16:26:53Z")
> [@Tengu](#): > > Also sounds like ‘Screw’, which is the only joke I saw in it until these posts. :o More than that, it suggests “Skroob Balls” = “screwballs”, very similar to the film title. My mind must just work that way, but all of this nameplay with Skroob’s name was pretty obvious to me when I first saw the movie. ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1051 "2011-04-20T17:05:57Z")
> [@The\_Jay](#): > > Christ, I couldn’t read any more of the stupid argument with caligula. I hope it is resolved by the time I post this but caliglua, taglines are generally a pun ON a movie title. Having “Deux” pronounced as “duh” in the movie title means there’s no reason for a “Lets Deux it” pun. > END OF STORY. What are you talking about? I’ve already addressed that. I dropped the pronunciation thing. Besides, Deux is not pronounced _doo_ nor is it pronounced _duh_, but it is somewhere in between. It works for both. There’s no law that says you can’t use two homophonic puns. Anyway, you guys are taking it way too seriously. I merely said _it seemed to me_ to be a pun in the title of an extremely bad movie and you would think I called into question someone’s sexuality. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1052 "2011-04-20T18:13:02Z")
Hey, look, Deux was just \*experimenting \*back in college, okay?! It doesn’t mean anything now. It has a wide stance! ---
**Author:** ![caligulathegod](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/caligulathegod/32/9685_2.png) [@caligulathegod](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caligulathegod)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1053 "2011-04-20T19:02:43Z")
Ok, that was funny. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1054 "2011-04-20T19:27:28Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Scarecrow wants a brain…yet he’s the smartest guy in the group who comes up with all the ideas. > Tinman wants a heart, but he’s a sentimental lug. > \*\* Cowardly lion wants courage, and he’s the toughest SOB there. \*\* > > Duh. (bolding mine) That’s really only true in _The Wiz_. In Garland’s _The Wizard of Oz_, the Lion never does anything heroic that I can recall, whereas the Lion in the Wiz is a genuine badass as long as it’s someone else in danger – and, in fact, suffers greatly if he thinks he has failed, as he takes it to be his job by definition to protect Dorothy and the others. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1055 "2011-04-20T20:02:33Z")
I don’t remember the movie too well, but the Lion is definitely a badass in the book. His description of his cowardice, is, like Scarecrow’s description of his lack of intelligence, or the Woodman’s description of his lack of heart, simply a misapprehension - he confuses feeling fear, and heeding it when he’s outmatched, with cowardice. He states he drives off challengers, despite his fear, but that his fear makes him a coward. He (briefly) faces the kaleidas - he fails to drive them off, but he does stop and _try_. He drives off a whole regiment of Winkies when they’re after the Witch. He stands up to the Wizard when the old Humbug tries to renege on their deal - rather more forcefully than the other three. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1056 "2011-04-20T20:48:29Z")
> [@caligulathegod](#): > > … you would think I called into question someone’s sexuality. Well you did say it’s homophonic. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2011, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1057 "2011-04-21T16:16:13Z")
That’s the study of the inflection of expressions like “Heeeeeeeeey, girlfriend!” right? ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1058 "2011-04-26T18:27:39Z")
For the longest time, I thought that Navigator Dave Unger was Harry Hamlin. I just watched Airplane II last night and found out that it was actually Kent McCord! ---
**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2011, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1059 "2011-04-26T20:18:54Z")
OK, I’ve decided to jump into this thread, even though I have no intention of ever reading the first 1000 posts, so I have no idea if this has been mentioned. Royal Guardsmen. “Snoopy’s Christmas”, 1967. Just recently realized that the chorus (“Christmas bells, those Christmas bells, ringing through the land…”) takes its melody from Buffy Sainte-Marie’s “Universal Soldier”. Nice, subtle nod by a “pop” band to a much more explicitly antiwar song. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1060 "2011-04-29T13:48:18Z")
Something I only just learned, a quarter century after first watching it: the model featured in The Power Station’s [Some Like It Hot](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYqIvnPvqQ) is a [transsexual](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Cossey). Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it is kind of obvious now that I look again. (My reaction: :smack: d’oh!) And the makers of the video made obvious reference to it . . . [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=54)