# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 61
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1201 "2011-11-03T18:59:38Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Given that he’s a [del]mon-[/del] ORANGUTAN, Ook and Eek are thoroughly appropriate. I will have to check if “Oh okay” makes any sense, but I suspect that is projection. He says a lot of complicated things with “Ook ook eek ook eek.” Well, with “Ook ook eek ook eek”, a baleful eye, and two rather large fists… ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1202 "2011-11-03T19:21:08Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Given that he’s a [del]mon-[/del] ORANGUTAN, Ook and Eek are thoroughly appropriate. IIRC he also at one point was in the process of writing a simian-to-English dictionary. He was up to the word “ook”. [QUOTE=jayjay] Well, with “Ook ook eek ook eek”, a baleful eye, and two rather large fists… [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Reaper Man] “Oook.” “You? We can’t take _you_,” said the Dean, glaring at the Librarian. “You don’t know a thing about guerilla warfare.” “Oook!” said the Librarian, and made a surprisingly comprehensive gesture to indicate that, on the other hand, what he didn’t know about orangutan warfare could be written on the very small pounded-up remains of, for example, the Dean. [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![Trepa\_Mayfield](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/edb3f5/32.png) [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1203 "2011-11-03T20:20:18Z")
Do usernames count? I _just_ got that “Rand Rover” is a pun on “Land Rover”, despite the eponymous man having been here for quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![Sandra\_Battye](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sandra_battye/32/552_2.png) [@Sandra\_Battye](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandra_Battye)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1204 "2011-11-03T21:08:52Z")
Speaking of Pratchett, I finally got that he never has to write a death scene for Granny Weatherwax since she was bitten by vampires and turned (partly) into one. Of course, she may choose to stop living. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1205 "2011-11-03T21:16:12Z")
> [@jali](#): > > My friend Mark recently pointed out the comments made by the Librarian in Pratchett’s series are: “Oh, okay”. I read ook (yes I did) throughout the series. I need a re-read now. Your friend Mark needs to post in here that his friend jali just explained to him that the Librarian is making simian sounds, not saying “oh, okay.” ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1206 "2011-11-06T08:20:03Z")
This just fell into place for me today. Fozzie Bear is a Frank Oz character. Frank Oz -\> F. Oz -\> Fozzie. I physically did one of these. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1207 "2011-11-06T18:52:39Z")
I started a thread that has lasted over two years and has over 1200 replies? That really deserves a :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1208 "2011-11-06T19:06:34Z")
No, that deserves a Kermit “Yayyyyyyyyyyy!” with arms flailing. Good job! ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1209 "2011-11-30T23:11:01Z")
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds have long been among my favorite bands. “Murder Ballads” has long been one of my favorite albums. “The Curse of Milhaven” has long been one of my favorite tracks on it. I was listening the other day, and, for the first time, I realized the song sounded like an exagerrated ballad version of _The Bad Seed_ – a blonde little female psychopath murderin’ folks in a quaint small town. “Gee,” I wondered,“is that intentional? I wonder if Nick Cave knows _The Bad Seed._” …“ohhhhhhh.” ---
**Author:** ![Tess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e480ec/32.png) [@Tess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tess)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1210 "2011-11-30T23:59:26Z")
In _Poncho and Lefty_ both outlaws die cold and alone. Poncho gets gunned down by federales and dies young in the desert while Lefty hightails it back to the States and dies of old age. I’d assumed the chorus was suggesting the federales let Lefty escape out of respect or pity. I was watching the video on youtube and suddenly realized that Lefty set up Poncho. The cash he got to travel to Ohio was reward money. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1211 "2011-12-01T01:05:01Z")
> [@Rilchiam](#): > > This just fell into place for me today. > > Fozzie Bear is a Frank Oz character. > > Frank Oz -\> F. Oz -\> Fozzie. > > I physically did one of these. :smack: …but does it actually come from that? I always assumed it was a take on “Fuzzy Wuzzy was a Bear”..Fuzzy to Fozzie. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [December 1, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1212 "2011-12-01T03:43:26Z")
> [@Tess](#): > > In _Poncho and Lefty_ both outlaws die cold and alone. Poncho gets gunned down by federales and dies young in the desert while Lefty hightails it back to the States and dies of old age. I’d assumed the chorus was suggesting the federales let Lefty escape out of respect or pity. > I was watching the video on youtube and suddenly realized that Lefty set up Poncho. The cash he got to travel to Ohio was reward money. That’s one I had missed but you’re right, it’s obvious once you point it out. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Gadai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@An\_Gadai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Gadai)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1213 "2012-02-18T08:02:27Z")
It just occurred to me earlier, for some reason, that the sheep in Babe say “baa ram ewe”. I just thought it was a nonsense word they made up but is so obviously, in retrospect the words baa, ram, and ewe. Wow only took me 17 years to figure that one out. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1214 "2012-02-18T10:15:58Z")
I just watched the \*Twilight Zone \*episode “Five Characters in Search of an Exit” for the umpteenth time. For the first time, I noticed that in the final scene, when they are shown to be dolls, the ballerina’s arm moves, then you can see tears coming out of her eyes. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1215 "2012-02-18T14:00:59Z")
In “The Usual Suspects”, Kobyashi gives each member a reason why he owes Keyser Soze. The one he gives to Hockney is “6 weeks ago you hijacked a truck containg gun parts headed to Belfast”. I just watched it yesterday and for the first time put 2+2 together that Hockney stole the truck that started the whole thing off. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1216 "2012-02-18T18:00:02Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > In “The Usual Suspects”, Kobyashi gives each member a reason why he owes Keyser Soze. The one he gives to Hockney is “6 weeks ago you hijacked a truck containg gun parts headed to Belfast”. I just watched it yesterday and for the first time put 2+2 together that Hockney stole the truck that started the whole thing off. Yes, because right after kobayashi says that, everyone glares at hockney, who give a rueful shrug. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2012, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1217 "2012-02-18T19:32:16Z")
> [@Tess](#): > > In \* > I was watching the video on youtube and suddenly realized that Lefty set up Poncho. The cash he got to travel to Ohio was reward money. I haven’t studied this thoroughly, but it seems to me that Townes Van Zandt (the writer) clearly intends that interpretation, but that the famous Willie Nelson/Merle Haggard cover version downplays that angle until it almost vanishes. Willie makes it sound like, yes, it was pity that stayed their hand. ---
**Author:** ![Nocturne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9fc348/32.png) [@Nocturne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nocturne)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2012, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1218 "2012-02-20T09:04:07Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Of course, technically and etymologically, at least 1/4 of the droids we see in the Star Wars films aren’t really “androids” (_andro-_, Greek for man, so android is a man-shaped robot). R2-D2, for example. So in other words, they’re not the droids we’re looking for? ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2012, 9:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1219 "2012-02-20T09:14:46Z")
This is possibly disputed but… Deckard’s old photo collection in Blade Runner, that he drunkenly looks at. This is right after he explains that replicants love taking and keeping photos, we then see Deckard has a old family photo collection himself. I think this is the point Deckard starts to realize that all he has been taught is bullshit, the so called replicant traits are traits ALL human beings have. Its as if he said replicants are known to fall in love, no shit. It shows the cognitive dissonance the entire society lives under with dehumanizing replicants, they have started attributing human traits as replicant traits. Some see the scene as a confirmation Deckard himself is a replicant. ---
**Author:** ![BACI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ce73a5/32.png) [@BACI](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BACI)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2012, 7:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1220 "2012-02-25T07:42:48Z")
We have young kids, which has resulted in me seeing more of In the Night Garden than is probably good for my sanity. I was vaguely aware that the Tombliboos were called Un, Ooo, and Eee. I only just realised that this corresponds to them being One, Two and Three. Talk about slow… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=60) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=62)