# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 71
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1401 "2013-06-23T02:41:36Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > “I’m so tired, I’m feeling so upset > I’m so tired, I’ll have another cigarette > And curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get” Git. He was a stupid [git](http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/general-language-discussions/62341-stupid-git-used-americans-british-alike.html). ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1402 "2013-06-23T10:46:04Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Git. He was a stupid [git](http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/general-language-discussions/62341-stupid-git-used-americans-british-alike.html). No. Scousers usually say get for git. ---
**Author:** ![BunnyTVS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@BunnyTVS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BunnyTVS)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1403 "2013-06-23T10:56:33Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Git. He was a stupid [git](http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/general-language-discussions/62341-stupid-git-used-americans-british-alike.html). For a Liverpudlian [get](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get) would be just as appropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1404 "2013-06-23T14:45:32Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Git. He was a stupid [git](http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/general-language-discussions/62341-stupid-git-used-americans-british-alike.html). > [@SciFiSam](#): > > No. Scousers usually say get for git. > [@BunnyTVS](#): > > For a Liverpudlian [get](http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get) would be just as appropriate. Yeah, I’m familiar with “git”, but to my ears John clearly says “get”, which also happens to rhyme with “upset” and “cigarette”. And it’s what that Beatles Compleat songbook said. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1405 "2013-06-23T15:56:53Z")
> [@steveroo](#): > > Oh, and Glinda is also a total bitch. “You had the power all along, my dear.” Oh, really? REALLY? You put Dorothy through this horrific ordeal just to make some obtuse point? Bitch. This was due to the adaptation from book to screen. In the book, Dorothy met two good witches: Locasta, the good witch of the north, showed up when Dorothy arrived in Oz. She’s the one who gave Dorothy the shoes and sent her on to Oz. It’s at the end of the book, after Dorothy has had all her adventures, that she meets Glinda, the good witch of the south. (In the book, Dorothy goes to see Glinda. Glinda doesn’t show up in the Emerald City.) Glinda’s the one who tells Dorothy the shoes have the power to send her back to Kansas - Locasta, presumably, didn’t know the shoes could do this. > [@steveroo](#): > > I also hate Aunt Em and Uncle Henry for allowing Miss Gulch to take Toto. Another supposed plothole that people talk about is what happens to Toto after the movie ends. Miss Gulch had planned on killing him. Dorothy got Toto back but the basic situation apparently hadn’t changed - Miss Gulch would just come back and take Toto again. But the movie shows this is no longer a problem. Remember that the people and events in Oz are parallels of people and events in Kansas - in the movie, the stuff that happens in Oz is just Dorothy’s dream interpretation of the things happening around her in Kansas. And we saw that the wicked witch is the parallel of Almira Gulch. The wicked witch died in Oz - and that’s telling us that in the real world, Miss Gulch is also dead. She was presumably killed in the tornado. So she’s no longer around to threaten Toto. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1406 "2013-06-23T16:25:35Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Yeah, I’m familiar with “git”, but to my ears John clearly says “get”, which also happens to rhyme with “upset” and “cigarette”. And it’s what that Beatles Compleat songbook said. I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2013, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1407 "2013-06-23T16:30:15Z")
> [@TreacherousCretin](#): > > Me :smack: too. Me as well. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1408 "2013-06-24T03:15:03Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > This was due to the adaptation from book to screen. In the book, Dorothy met two good witches: Locasta, the good witch of the north, showed up when Dorothy arrived in Oz. She’s the one who gave Dorothy the shoes and sent her on to Oz. It’s at the end of the book, after Dorothy has had all her adventures, that she meets Glinda, the good witch of the south. (In the book, Dorothy goes to see Glinda. Glinda doesn’t show up in the Emerald City.) Glinda’s the one who tells Dorothy the shoes have the power to send her back to Kansas - Locasta, presumably, didn’t know the shoes could do this.Another supposed plothole that people talk about is what happens to Toto after the movie ends. Miss Gulch had planned on killing him. Dorothy got Toto back but the basic situation apparently hadn’t changed - Miss Gulch would just come back and take Toto again. > > But the movie shows this is no longer a problem. Remember that the people and events in Oz are parallels of people and events in Kansas - in the movie, the stuff that happens in Oz is just Dorothy’s dream interpretation of the things happening around her in Kansas. > > And we saw that the wicked witch is the parallel of Almira Gulch. The wicked witch died in Oz - and that’s telling us that in the real world, Miss Gulch is also dead. She was presumably killed in the tornado. So she’s no longer around to threaten Toto. Perhaps she drowned then: killed by water. ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2013, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1409 "2013-06-24T19:34:40Z")
Watching Mad Men last night reminded me of something. I watched out of order originally so I always knew about Betty and the kids. Because of that, it didn’t occur to me that Don Draper is presented as a bachelor until the “reveal” of his family at the end of the pilot episode. Had to be pointed out to me later. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2013, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1410 "2013-06-25T22:43:39Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Git. He was a stupid [git](http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/general-language-discussions/62341-stupid-git-used-americans-british-alike.html). I thought that the lyrics inside the White Album said ‘get’. Of course, I may have imagined that there were any lyrics printed, I’m not sure. But, me dear old Mum, who lived in England for X number of years, used the word ‘get’. ---
**Author:** ![MostlyClueless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@MostlyClueless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MostlyClueless)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1411 "2013-07-01T20:48:19Z")
In the Fifth Element, a brand is mentioned: “Gemini croquettes”. After having seen this movie about eighty gazillion times, I realized it might be a pun on Jiminy Cricket. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1412 "2013-07-01T22:20:58Z")
> [@handsomeharry](#): > > I thought that the lyrics inside the White Album said ‘get’. Of course, I may have imagined that there were any lyrics printed, I’m not sure. > But, me dear old Mum, who lived in England for X number of years, used the word ‘get’. Aha! I just remembered that I have the iTunes LP version of the White Album, which comes complete with all the album artwork and liner notes, including lyrics. Indeed, it says, “get”. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2013, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1413 "2013-07-01T23:49:09Z")
I had two recently, one subtle, and one… not subtle. The subtle one: Miles Vorkosigan, from Lois Bujold’s _Vorkosigan Saga_, is basically Richard III with a conscience and a plasma rifle. He’s a hunchback who’s a few heartbeats away from the throne of a rigidly militaristic society, who must achieve his goals through charismatic manipulation and Byzantine plotting. Only, instead of plotting to steal the throne, he plots how he can keep the current occupant alive. Not subtle: Mr. Miracle is a DC superhero whose power is that he can escape from any death trap, no matter how cunning. His real name, whose significance I only just realized? Scott Free. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Charles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Greg\_Charles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greg_Charles)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2013, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1414 "2013-07-02T00:09:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The subtle one: Miles Vorkosigan, from Lois Bujold’s _Vorkosigan Saga_, is basically Richard III with a conscience and a plasma rifle. He’s a hunchback who’s a few heartbeats away from the throne of a rigidly militaristic society, who must achieve his goals through charismatic manipulation and Byzantine plotting. Only, instead of plotting to steal the throne, he plots how he can keep the current occupant alive. I guess I can see that. There are a lot of Shakespearean references in the Vorkosigan Saga, and Miles even quotes from Richard’s, “Was ever woman in this humor wooed?” speech when wooing Ekaterin. ---
**Author:** ![EvilMinion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@EvilMinion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EvilMinion)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1415 "2013-07-03T11:24:56Z")
In the Simpsons episode “Bart’s dog gets an F”, Marge phones Dr. Hibbert at home, and his family is the Huxtables! Their kitchen / dining table set up is exactly the same as the Huxtables’, and Dr. Hibbert is even wearing a thick, garish sweater. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen that episode, and it only just clicked. ---
**Author:** ![andrew\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bcef8e/32.png) [@andrew\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andrew_1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1416 "2013-07-03T11:32:12Z")
I was on my third read-through of Stephen Pressfield’s _The War of Art_ before I realized why the title sounded awfully familiar to another book I’ve read a few times. ---
**Author:** ![bob\_2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bob_2/32/3341_2.png) [@bob\_2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bob_2)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 12:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1417 "2013-07-03T12:42:02Z")
Git - or get? This from [Git](http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-git1.htm) > [@](#): > > From before 1300 a get was what had been begotten, a child or offspring. But by about 1500 it had started to be used in Scotland and northern England in the sense of misbegotten, a bastard; from there it became a general term of abuse for a fool or idiot. By about 1700 get seems to have lapsed into slang or dialect, only to reappear in the wider language in the 1940s with a different spelling and lacking the associations with illegitimacy. James Joyce uses the older spelling (and meaning) in Ulysses in 1922: “The bloody thicklugged sons of whores’ gets!” These days, it’s a widely known and used term of abuse in Britain for somebody regarded as totally worthless or useless, most commonly appearing in cries of frustration such as “that stupid git, now look what he’s done!”. ---
**Author:** ![grude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@grude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grude)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1418 "2013-07-03T18:03:50Z")
In the Velvet Underground song Heroin there is a line “the blood shoots up the droppers neck”. I assumed “dropper” was some kind of slang term for a heroin users, and the blood shooting up it’s neck was carrying heroin to the brain or something. Then I saw something recently on how in the 50s and 60s junkies used homemade syringes that used medicine droppers, and verbatim said “when the blood shoots up the droppers neck”.:smack: Duh. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1419 "2013-07-03T18:13:58Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I had two recently, one subtle, and one… not subtle. > [snip] … Not subtle: Mr. Miracle is a DC superhero whose power is that he can escape from any death trap, no matter how cunning. His real name, whose significance I only just realized? Scott Free. :smack: Lest anyone doubt the need for a mod to use the smackie-smiley on himself, the rest of us just rolled our eyes at Jack Kirby’s way-too-obvious moniker for his escape artist hero… [back in the early 70s.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mister_Miracle) ---
**Author:** ![Soylent\_Juicy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/82dd89/32.png) [@Soylent\_Juicy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Soylent_Juicy)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/1420 "2013-07-03T19:03:10Z")
I don’t know if this counts but today I realized that Hula Hoops are so named because they make you do the Hawaiian Hula dance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=70) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=72)