Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE)

I am no scholar of Arabic either, but presumable Burton was. I imagine “ya huwa” often refers to God, though (otherwise who is “he” supposed to be?)

One more genie book: A. S. Byatt’s The Djinn in the Nightengale’s Eye. More a novella, but an interesting modern take. I’ve seen the Fairbanks version of The Thief of Bagdad, but I have a sentimental fondness for Sabu version. Rex Ingram scared my pants off!

I was introduced to Robert Irwin with The Mysteries of Algiers via a book blog. Both the blogger and I said we’d have never thought we’d like this book based on its description, but we both loved it. I was a bit disappointed by Satan Wants Me. Such a good title that the book didn’t quite live up to.

I’ve read a couple of Marina Warner’s books, one of which was on the Arabian Tales, so I knew a bit about what them. But her prose is so impenetrable for me. I found it a real struggle to read it.

Did you know Robert Irwin trained (if that’s the right word) as a Sufi? Very interesting guy.

Nah, he’s from a [strike]politically incorrect[/strike] pre-woke time where cross-dressing and such was played for laughs, a mocking of real LGBT people.

In Shawshank Redemption, Andy took the warden’s clothes and black shoes to wear on the outside. He left his brown prison shoes for the warden. But when is shown descending from his tunnel, we see him wearing brown shoes with the black shoes safely covered in plastic. But wait- his brown shoes are in the warden’s office. I find it hard to believe that inmates have more than one pair of shoes- or do they?

Yup. That said…the Brits MANGLE Shakespeare. Watch Branagh BLAST through Hamlet and great parts of Henry V. Now, I understand he has to blast through Hamlet, otherwise the 4 hour show will be six, but still…

And FUCK meter.

The band has said that it was while one of them was working as a cashier at Tim Hortons that coffee was $1.95 so people would pay $2 and get a nickel back.

Sorry if this has been covered before, but it just occurred to me. Of course these count as nitpicks to a wonderful movie.

In Forbidden Planet, the description of the end of the Krell assumed that, as they turned on the switch that gave all of them access to the power of the big machine, the monsters of their individual ids were manifested and killed all of each other. This idea (finally) gives rise to some questions in my mind.

Why didn’t it come down to one last Krell? Were all the Krell minds exactly equal in enhanced intelligence? Wouldn’t there have been at least a moment when the last-but-one Krell was killed and that Krell’s monsters disappeared, so the last Krell was triumphant? It (pronoun used advisedly) might have been lonely, or it might have used all that power and intelligence to figure out how to live forever.

Also, in the movie it took pretty much all the resources for just one monster to melt one 26 inch thick Krell metal door. Was there really enough power in there for an entire population’s monsters to destroy each other?

The monsters weren’t destroying just the other monsters. The monsters were destroying the Krell themselves. Once it got down to the last Krell, that Krell’s monster destroyed them.

And then, of course, ceased to exist, because the subconscious it sprang from was no more.

The machine was designed to work with krell minds, not human minds, and the krell were vastly more advanced. It’s possible that krell id monsters were significantly stronger than human id monsters.

One thing that I noticed in Forbidden Planet is that at one point it’s remarked that “Their calibrations appear to indicate that they are set in decimal series each division recording exactly ten times as many amperes as the one preceding it.” So the Krell use decimal numbers? Doesn’t this mean that they have ten fingers on their hands, just like us? The only reason we use a decimal number system is that we have ten fingers on our hands.

It could be they have 10 tentacles surrounding their food intake orifice.

My take on the Krell id monsters was that they destroyed themselves, not that they destroyed each other. That would take a lot less power, I would think.

Sorry, not understanding this. The id monster destroyed the being whose id created it? My id monster (if I were Krell) destroyed me?

I pictured it as my id monster(s) going around and attempting to savage other Krell and or defending me from their monsters.

My id takes exception to the control my superego is exerting and rebels.

Perhaps too literal an interpretation of “id” which in the movie is shorthand for deep subconscious primitive atavistic impulses. And it seems that once the monster is released, the person has no conscious control over its actions.

Or we could imagine monsters of the id vs. kindly creatures of the superego, and imagine who would win that battle.

I remember the Commander telling Morbious at the end that his conscious mind was not powerful enough to control the machinery, but that his subconscious had been made strong enough.

I’ve been really interested in the Korean K-Pop group G-Idle lately and just learned what the meaning of the 'fox girl" mask and and ‘fox girl’ reveal at the start of the Latata, their debut MV means.

At the beginning of the video, a girl holding a fox mask in front of her face walks up to So Yeon, then gives her the mask revealing her face. So Yeon looks at, then tosses it away before starting to sing. The fox girl is revealed to be member Soo Jin, who appeared as the fox girl, never revealing her face in So Yeon’s two solo MVs prior to G-Idle’s debut, Jelly and Idle Song

Absolutely.

Remember – Morbius says that the simulacrum of Altaira exists and moves because he’s creating it with his own mind. As soon as he stops, it disappears. The Id monster is the same thing, but created by Morbius’ subconscious. Notice the way it disappeared when Morbius was awakened from his dream.

The rational end of the film would have been for the Id monster to die when it killed Morbius, at the end. Morbius still being alive (if just barely) kinda ruins that. But then we wouldn’t have his final speech and his instructions to activate the self-destruct on the Krel machine.

But I wouldn’t expect my id monster to go after me specifically; Morbius’ monster went against the people who (his subconscious felt) were against him or betraying him. I always thought, at the end, that Morbius went after the monster or specifically got in its way so much that he was mortally injured, enough that the monster dissipated.

Yeah, that always felt like a cheat, even when I tried to explain it away (as above).

At first, sure. But as the carnage in krell civilization spreads, you’re going to have more and more krell in unhealthy psychological states. If you’ve got survivor’s guilt, because your whole family was ripped apart by invisible monsters except you, how does that guilt manifest when your id monster returns? When you figure out that the invisible monster that killed your family was you, how does that guilt manifest?