# Occupy (insert name of city here) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182 "2011-10-29T13:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/61 "2011-11-01T21:33:01Z")
> [@Bloodless\_Turnip](#): > > Find me time and place manner restrictions in the Bill of Rights. > > Thanks. SCOTUS found it for you. The least you can do is thank them! ---
**Author:** ![Bloodless\_Turnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@Bloodless\_Turnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bloodless_Turnip)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/62 "2011-11-01T21:43:08Z")
Negative. A permit costs money - I do not need a paid for permit to exercise my right to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Now, you may acquiesce to the local governmental extortionists and pay for a permit, that’s your choice. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/63 "2011-11-01T21:47:10Z")
> [@Bloodless\_Turnip](#): > > Negative. A permit costs money - I do not need a paid for permit to exercise my right to peaceably assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. You, as an individual? Maybe not. As a large group? That’s a horse of a different color. A permit needn’t cost money. If there is a charge, it’s for extra policing, clean-up or whatever is deemed necessary. But, as I said, SCOTUS has already decided. You may disagree, but it is settled law. ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/64 "2011-11-01T21:49:11Z")
> [@Bloodless\_Turnip](#): > > Find me time and place manner restrictions in the Bill of Rights. They are probably right next to the restrictions on what arms I have the right to “keep and bear”. I like to say that “The First Amendment does not give people the right to block streets and buildings any more than the Second Amendment gives them the right to automatic weapons with armor-piercing explosive-tipped ammunition.” ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/65 "2011-11-01T21:54:01Z")
> [@C3](#): > > So, two people were fired from NPR for attending OWS protests. How many people [were fired from Fox](http://mediamatters.org/reports/200904080025)? Just for attending…no way. Couldn’t they say they were researching the movement for a show? As for the Fox firings…I don’t know; you tell me. I’d never make you read that much Rupert Murdoch…I’m not going to read that much George Soros. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/66 "2011-11-01T23:28:49Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > Just for attending…no way. Couldn’t they say they were researching the movement for a show? Okay, the first reporter fired, [Lisa Simeone](http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iIGpztWAQLDY6GukQrUIwbBr4QXw?docId=b80af71be8a249c0a2c5c3386fbc72d8), did help with organizing. She’s not a news reporter, though - she hosts a classical music program. [Caitlin Curin](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/occupy-wall-street-costs-two-journalists-their-jobs/2011/10/28/gIQA4NN6PM_blog.html), the second NPR employee fired, did simply attend and was photographed holding a sign. > [@](#): > > As for the Fox firings…I don’t know; you tell me. I’d never make you read that much Rupert Murdoch…I’m not going to read that much George Soros. If you can’t handle the words, you can feel free to just look at the pictures on that link - they’re screenshots of Fox News shows. That shouldn’t hurt your head too much. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/67 "2011-11-01T23:35:31Z")
Regardless, the point is that NPR is so worried about avoiding conflict of interest that it fired a classical music host who was involved in OWS and a reporter who attended the protest. Meanwhile, Fox News had on-air personalities attending, speaking at and promoting Tea Party events and was advertising Tea Party events on their channel. As far as I know, Sean Hannity is still an employee of Fox and Glenn Beck got fired for his falling ratings instead of his involvement with the Tea Party. (missed the edit window) ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2011, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/68 "2011-11-02T02:12:08Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > They are probably right next to the restrictions on what arms I have the right to “keep and bear”. > > I like to say that “The First Amendment does not give people the right to block streets and buildings any more than the Second Amendment gives them the right to automatic weapons with armor-piercing explosive-tipped ammunition.” I did not see that in the constitution. You are making that up for convenience of a bad argument. The constitution says people have a right of grievance and petition including the right of Assembly. The right to petition for redress and assembly is an attribute of citizenship and is guaranteed by the government of the United States. ---
**Author:** ![vaguepretension](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/ba8739/32.png) [@vaguepretension](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vaguepretension)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/69 "2011-11-03T03:17:08Z")
well, the world definitely fucked up when it decided to devote the majority of it’s resources and energy to the upper 2% of our society ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/70 "2011-11-03T14:18:17Z")
> [@C3](#): > > Regardless, the point is that NPR is so worried about avoiding conflict of interest that it fired a classical music host who was involved in OWS and a reporter who attended the protest. Meanwhile, Fox News had on-air personalities attending, speaking at and promoting Tea Party events and was advertising Tea Party events on their channel. As far as I know, Sean Hannity is still an employee of Fox and Glenn Beck got fired for his falling ratings instead of his involvement with the Tea Party. > > (missed the edit window) I’d be worried too if I took taxpayer money. I’d also be worried if the Tea Party was a bunch of takers, occupying places they don’t belong and rioting with the cops. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/71 "2011-11-03T16:25:51Z")
> [@What\_the](#): > > I’d be worried too if I took taxpayer money. > > I’d also be worried if the Tea Party was a bunch of takers, occupying places they don’t belong and rioting with the cops. There is direct funding of NPR by taxes. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/72 "2011-11-03T20:22:55Z")
I left no out. There is NO direct funding of NPR of tax money. The crying about it caused them to end any tax help long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Brandus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Brandus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brandus)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/73 "2011-11-03T20:40:33Z")
It’s not hard to understand people’s frustration when words like “Gloomy”, “Anguish”, and “Grinding” are on the front page of newspapers when describing the state of the economy for the past and next few years. Yet you also see graphs like “[Income Growth of Top 1% Over 30 Years Outpaced Rest of U.S.](http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-QG980_cbo_E_20111025152346.jpg)” ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/74 "2011-11-03T21:36:54Z")
> [@vaguepretension](#): > > well, the world definitely fucked up when it decided to devote the majority of it’s resources and energy to the upper 2% of our society Yeah, why did we do that, again? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2011, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/75 "2011-11-04T05:41:19Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Yeah, why did we do that, again? Because we let them. We fell asleep and let the rich hire our politicians to do work for them. Of course the fact that about half the house members are millionaires, should also be a clue. One of the jobs of citizens is to fight for their rights and their needs. We trusted the pols and they screwed us. We weren’t alert. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/76 "2011-11-07T13:24:30Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I left no out. There is NO direct funding of NPR of tax money. The crying about it caused them to end any tax help long ago. Any indirect funding?? I so miss **Dio** … who’s left to bitch about that whole “taxpayer money” canard ?😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/77 "2011-11-07T13:48:05Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I left no out. There is NO direct funding of NPR of tax money. The crying about it caused them to end any tax help long ago. Funny -the NPR website gives a rather different picture. > [@](#): > > Federal funding is essential to public radio’s service to the American public. [Cite.](http://www.npr.org/about/aboutnpr/publicradiofinances.html) > [@](#): > > “Public broadcasting received a vote of confidence today from the Obama Administration,” NPR said in a statement Monday. “The President’s FY 2012 budget submission to Congress included $451 million for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB) for the two year advance appropriation for FY 2014, an increase of $6 million over FY 2013 funding.” [http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/npr-thanks-obama-budget-vote-confidence#ixzz1d1jAsHYE](http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/02/npr-thanks-obama-budget-vote-confidence#ixzz1d1jAsHYE) [5.6% of their budget comes from federal, state, and local government funds.](http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/10/how_public_is_nprs_funding.html) **gonzo** , we are sort of used to your posts being stupid. But this thing where they are simply contrary to reality is another thing. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/78 "2011-11-09T18:31:53Z")
[New NPR CEO Makes Case For Public Funding : The Two-Way : NPR](http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/10/03/141018357/incoming-npr-ceo-makes-case-for-public-funding-will-look-at-all-sources) Well, 2 percent. Does that mean the public is giving vast amounts to PBS. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/79 "2011-11-09T18:38:43Z")
NPR is funded by corporate donors, station fees, educational interests, grants and fund raisers. There is a 2 percent sliver of government funding. Note it is a non profit organization. It does not sell advertising. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/80 "2011-11-09T20:00:45Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > NPR is funded by corporate donors, station fees, educational interests, grants and fund raisers. And hundreds of millions from selling toys and consumer products. [Cite](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/28/jim-demint/sen-jim-demint-takes-aim-muppet-lobby/). Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182.md?page=5)