# Occupy (insert name of city here) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 29, 2011, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182 "2011-10-29T13:58:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/81 "2011-11-17T18:11:38Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And hundreds of millions from selling toys and consumer products. [Cite](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/feb/28/jim-demint/sen-jim-demint-takes-aim-muppet-lobby/). > > Regards, > Shodan Except PBS does not own Sesame Street. It is owned by Childrens Television Workshop. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/82 "2011-11-17T19:14:58Z")
Which receives funding from the CPB, which receives federal funds. Too bad it’s not a bank making hundreds of millions and still getting federal handouts, so you could be against it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/83 "2011-11-17T19:51:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Which receives funding from the CPB, which receives federal funds. > > Too bad it’s not a bank making hundreds of millions and still getting federal handouts, so you could be against it. > > Regards, > Shodan Why would that be true? Are you one insult short of your daily requirement? ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/84 "2011-11-17T20:19:41Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > In Detroit the neighborhoods are deteriorating. . In Detroit, actually the neighborhoods are improving, driven largely by young artistic entrepreneurship. “Detroit” is a fairly small area. Michigan as a whole has economic problems. Detroit itself, is probably the best its ever been in 25+ years. [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102053853](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102053853) > **[Pssst! Did you know?](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2011-nov-13-la-tr-detroit-20111113-story.html)** > > You think you know a city, but look beneath the surface, and secrets come out. Motor City, for example, is experiencing a rebirth at the hands of its artists. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/85 "2011-11-17T21:47:26Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > In Detroit, actually the neighborhoods are improving, driven largely by young artistic entrepreneurship. “Detroit” is a fairly small area. Michigan as a whole has economic problems. Detroit itself, is probably the best its ever been in 25+ years. > > [In Detroit, Artists Look For Renewal In Foreclosures : NPR](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=102053853) > [Pssst! Did you know?](http://articles.latimes.com/2011/nov/13/travel/la-tr-detroit-20111113) The empty houses and foreclosed homes are everywhere. The city has a budget for tearing down abandoned homes. it barely touches the problem. Detroit has a long way to go. Mayor Bing just slashed all the departments, cut back salaries and still will have a huge deficit. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/86 "2011-11-17T21:51:38Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The empty houses and foreclosed homes are everywhere. > The city has a budget for tearing down abandoned homes. it barely touches the problem. Detroit has a long way to go. Mayor Bing just slashed all the departments, cut back salaries and still will have a huge deficit. Yes, but you said Detroit is getting worse. Is it great? No. Those houses have been empty for decades - foreclosure is not a new issue in Detroit. At all. But Detroit is getting better. Better is the opposite of worse. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/87 "2011-11-17T23:54:46Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Yes, but you said Detroit is getting worse. Is it great? No. Those houses have been empty for decades - foreclosure is not a new issue in Detroit. At all. But Detroit is getting better. Better is the opposite of worse. No the houses have not been empty for decades. Those ones have been torn down by now. The empty houses nowadays are the results of our recent crisis. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/88 "2011-11-18T03:31:26Z")
Cite? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/89 "2011-11-18T04:06:59Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Cite? > > Regards, > Shodan [http://detroit.blogs.time.com/2009/11/17/fighting-detroits-foreclosure-crisis/](http://detroit.blogs.time.com/2009/11/17/fighting-detroits-foreclosure-crisis/) Year 2009. these are the homes that are on the market now. It doesn’t stop. 2010 > **[Detroit homes sell for $1 amid mortgage and car industry crisis](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/mar/02/detroit-homes-mortgage-foreclosures-80)** > > One in five houses left empty as foreclosures mount and property prices drop by 80% ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/90 "2011-11-18T04:43:09Z")
> [@Cub\_Mistress](#): > > Can someone explain this movement to me as if I were a 1st grader? The more I read, the more confused I seem to get. [토토사이트 : 차별화된 최상위 TOP5 이용방법 실전가이드](http://ivaw.org/blog/we-are-veterans-we-are-99-veterans-march-support-occupy-wall-street) Here is a group that counts itself among the 99 percent. Veterans of the Iraq war are home and suffering like the rest of us at the hands of the 1 percent. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/91 "2011-11-18T13:38:15Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [http://detroit.blogs.time.com/2009/11/17/fighting-detroits-foreclosure-crisis/](http://detroit.blogs.time.com/2009/11/17/fighting-detroits-foreclosure-crisis/) > Year 2009. these are the homes that are on the market now. It doesn’t stop. > 2010 > [Detroit homes sell for $1 amid mortgage and car industry crisis | US housing and sub-prime crisis | The Guardian](http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/mar/02/detroit-homes-mortgage-foreclosures-80) No, **gonzo** , what I wanted was a cite for what you claimed - that all or most of the empty houses in Detroit were abandoned since the last crisis. Even your own cite says that this is not new, and that Detroit has been in decline for decades. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/92 "2011-11-18T18:21:33Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > No, **gonzo** , what I wanted was a cite for what you claimed - that all or most of the empty houses in Detroit were abandoned since the last crisis. > > Even your own cite says that this is not new, and that Detroit has been in decline for decades. > > Regards, > Shodan The glut of foreclosures have been since the great Republican/banker awakening of 2000 to 2008. There were problems, but the degree of trouble that the financial crash visited upon Detroit is unprecedented in Detroit history. the info i gave you shows an enormous amount of foreclosures that is continuing today. There was nothing like that in the past. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/93 "2011-11-18T18:26:15Z")
Repeating yourself is not a cite. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/94 "2011-11-18T19:59:24Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Repeating yourself is not a cite. > > Regards, > Shodan Is there someone there that can read. We are talking Detroit on a gradual downslope, which accelerated greatly when the Repub depression took hold. The info i gave you indicates a quickening of foreclosures in the last few years. There are many, many more foreclosures than in the past. That means that there is an increase in empty homes. which is on point. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2011, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/95 "2011-11-18T20:12:27Z")
It is getting ugly. I walked in the occupy march from Hart Plaza to Grand Circus Park in Detroit. It was a collaboration with unions. As we got close to the park, a guy with a very sophisticated movie camera was taking pictures of everyone as they marched by. I read that some jurisdictions want to make it up to a 5 year sentence for people wearing masks at demonstrations. Don’t want to interfere with facial recognition technology, do we? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/96 "2011-11-19T17:57:12Z")
The police in Detroit have not confronted the Occupy Detroiters. Any confrontations have been defused by talking like adults. The cost to the people for policing Detroit has been about zero. During marches, the police stopped traffic to allow the Occupiers to walk without impeding traffic. Odd. They considered the safety of the occupiers in their actions. The Occupation is in the way of the Thanksgiving Day Parade and bleachers. So they asked if we would move back so they could take over the Park. No problems. In NYC, Bloomberg would send in the police to beat the people out of the way. Apparently if you occupy, you have no rights . The police are allowed to pepper spray you and beat you, even if you are just a spectator or a reporter. Bloomberg is wasting the peoples money . ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/97 "2011-11-19T18:32:23Z")
Some people consider stream of consciousness writing to be interesting, but I’ve never seen it used effectively in a debate. Especially when it is loaded with factual errors. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/98 "2011-11-19T18:41:21Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Some people consider stream of consciousness writing to be interesting, but I’ve never seen it used effectively in a debate. Especially when it is loaded with factual errors. None at all Mr. Right. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/99 "2011-11-19T18:53:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Some people consider stream of consciousness writing to be interesting, but I’ve never seen it used effectively in a debate. Especially when it is loaded with factual errors. HA! That cracked me up. He really does like to free-form it. Can’t let pesky things like facts and logic interfere with his “art”. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182/100 "2011-11-19T19:13:37Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > The cost to the people for policing Detroit has been about zero. Cite please. Sorry, but you’re not the most reliable of sources particularly regarding the OWS movement. You claimed on another thread that pizzerias around Zuccotti park had “hired 22 new employees”, but when asked to produce proof of this you repeatedly failed to do so. So please, show us evidence that the city of Detroit hasn’t had to pay overtime for the police or anything similar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-insert-name-of-city-here/601182.md?page=6)