# Occupy Wall Street is back, kindasorta **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 30, 2016, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087 "2016-05-30T14:08:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5e9695/32.png) [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffes_Can_t_Dance)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/21 "2016-05-30T22:49:36Z")
See what I mean? You ask for facts, I provide them, you deny. This is why you can’t debate a leftist. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/22 "2016-05-30T22:49:56Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > It’s a lose-lose proposition to name specifics. Leftists hate things like facts, science and math. I’m going to regret getting specific, because such facts are sure to be met with denials, as they already have been. You can cite and link the sources yourself. That’s the problem with people like you: you never wanna do the work. > > Occupy Wallstreet was financed by the likes of Norman Lear, George Soros, Ben Cohen and Jerry Greenfield (Ben and Jerry’s), and celebrities like Russell Simmons and Michael Moore. > > What did they use the MILLIONS to specifically finance? > > • Professional Protesters (protesters don’t come cheap) > • Buses > • Posh Hotels (you don’t think that professional protesters actually sleep in tents?) > • Food > > George Soros, the Billionaire leftist–who these morons neglect to understand is a part of Wallstreet–also financed the riots that took place in Ferguson. Again, PAID protesters. > > I’m sure I’m going to regret providing you with the specifics you so desired. Take the baton and do some research yourself. Again, ignorance is the problem. Heh. That’s pretty much what I expected. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/23 "2016-05-30T22:55:31Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > See what I mean? You ask for facts, I provide them 😕 No, you provided _assertions_. And insults. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/24 "2016-05-30T22:55:42Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > Reality: OWS was funded by wealthy (oh, the irony) leftists set on manufacturing class warfare. The mindless hippies who “occupied Wall Street” couldn’t articulately express what exactly it was that they were protesting. From my direct (but anecdotal) experience, this is actually pretty true\* – but so what? Are you suggesting that upper-middle class liberals aren’t allowed to support a movement that they hope will bring about greater economic equality? Are you saying they wouldn’t be willing to sacrifice some of the structural advantages they’ve enjoyed – perhaps even a reduced personal income? True, few such folks would be willing to trade places with a homeless person. So there is a tiny whiff of hypocrisy, perhaps. But that’s just human nature. What I’m saying is, there’s a big difference between corporate-sponsored astroturf (with deceitful intent) and boho-suburban-boomer–and-academia-supported protest movements. The latter may be sometimes naive or ineffectual, but at least it’s sincere. Otherwise, you’re suggesting that any change to help the poor or could-easily-become-poor must come from the poor themselves – the very ones with the fewest resources. I’m not saying they’re incapable of agency, but they can’t do it themselves. \*“class warfare” is a bit strongly worded, though ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/25 "2016-05-30T22:59:48Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > See what I mean? You ask for facts, I provide them, you deny. It does not work that way, the facts are that the Republicans and conservatives do not care that the leader they choose is an ignorant that does refuse to consult science and the facts. And the links I provided do show why Trump is the anti-science candidate. > [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > This is why you can’t debate a leftist. The evidence here is clear, you are not willing to look at how wrong you are. So I will give you one chance to see if you can differentiate about who is denying science or not: From a Trump rally: > **[As Election Year Unfolds, Climate Concern Rises](https://thinc.blog/2016/03/17/as-election-year-unfolds-climate-concern-rises/)** > > Gallup: Americans are taking global warming more seriously than at any time in the past eight years, according to several measures in Gallup’s annual environment poll. Most emblematic is the … **Woman’s question** : “I’m a volunteer with a leading conservation voters group and we want to know about what your plan is to reduce pollution that is driving climate change and endangering public health.” **Trump** : “That’s an interesting question. Let me ask you a question… Ok, so we have global, let me ask you this, ok to [hissing and some boos from the crowd] take it easy… How many people, how many people here believe in global warming? [Turns around looks for hands up] You believe in global warming? Who believes in global warming? Who believes in global warming? Raise your hand, nobody? \* **One person** …” - This is worse than ignorance, it is malpractice. Even professional “skeptics” tell us that global warming is happening but is natural, so the answer should had been yes, but not even that :smack: Trump is on the record of misleading his followers. What fake skeptics deny is the climate change that that warming brings and that it is human caused. And Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders accept the science and the efforts to control emissions; so, do you deny this? ---
**Author:** ![inscrutable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a88e4f/32.png) [@inscrutable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/inscrutable)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/26 "2016-05-30T23:02:01Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > See what I mean? You ask for facts, I provide them, you deny. > > This is why you can’t debate a leftist. …and the grown ups who have the “privilege” of having to save for retirement care more about the health of their 401K’s. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2016, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/27 "2016-05-30T23:23:29Z")
> [@inscrutable](#): > > …and the grown ups who have the “privilege” of having to save for retirement care more about the health of their 401K’s. Oh yeah, about what Trump does with 401Ks: [http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2015/07/08/why-trumps-401k-plan-stinks/2/#36c97bfa7cb3](http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnwasik/2015/07/08/why-trumps-401k-plan-stinks/2/#36c97bfa7cb3) > [@](#): > > I’ve long been snarky about 401(k) plans. > > Employers don’t have to offer them, employees don’t have to contribute and there are a lot of stingy companies out there. As a result, not enough is being saved for retirement. > > Now we have a solid example of a lousy plan, which is offered by presidential candidate Donald Trump to his non-union employees. If you’re plan is like his, you need to demand some changes. > > In a word, Trump is a cheapskate. For a man who claims to be worth nearly $9 billion, he doesn’t seem to be interested in sharing the fruits of his wealth. > > According to a recent review of the Trump plan in BloombergPolitics by Richard Rubin, you can’t even get into the plan unless you’ve been a Trump employee for a year. > > So you can put in 365 days of labor and you get nothing — no employer match, no chance to defer your income into mutual funds. There’s also no automatic enrollment. > > Once you get into the plan — assuming you haven’t been fired after a year — Trump will kick in 4.5% as a matching contribution. But that’s only if you contribute at least 6% yourself. > > What if you were a semi-long-term Trump employee? From March 1, 2009, through June 30, 2012, you would’ve received no employer match because, like many employers, Trump had suspended them. > > To pour some more salt in the wounds of Trump employees, the period for the match was during was of the most robust bull markets in recent years. > > According to Rubin: > > “Under Bloomberg’s rating system for 401(k) plans, Trump scores a 30 out of a possible 100, lower than all but one of the top 50 companies by market capitalization. It scored one point back in 2011 when Trump wasn’t matching contributions at all. > > Hope Hicks, a spokeswoman for the Trump campaign, didn’t comment in response to questions about the 401(k) plan on Monday. “ Grown ups should not vote Republican. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/28 "2016-05-31T01:14:26Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > I sympathize with those who yearn to be apart of something, but much like the “Black lives matter” movement, “Occupy Wallstreet” was a manufactured movement orchestrated by big money, driven by professionally paid “protesters”. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/29 "2016-05-31T01:14:59Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > I’m sure I’m going to regret providing you with the specifics you so desired. Take the baton and do some research yourself. Again, ignorance is the problem. Harry! How ya doin’? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/30 "2016-05-31T01:19:17Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > It’s a lose-lose proposition to name specifics. Leftists hate things like facts, science and math. I’m going to regret getting specific, because such facts are sure to be met with denials, as they already have been. You can cite and link the sources yourself. That’s the problem with people like you: you never wanna do the work. That’s not how it works in this forum. You make the assertion, **you** bring the cite. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/31 "2016-05-31T01:20:50Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > See what I mean? You ask for facts, I provide them, you deny. > > This is why you can’t debate a leftist. “Facts” are not enough, you have to provide cites, some form of proof on the public record. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5e9695/32.png) [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffes_Can_t_Dance)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/32 "2016-05-31T01:24:45Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > It’s a lose-lose proposition to name specifics. Leftists hate things like facts, science and math. I’m going to regret getting specific, because such facts are sure to be met with denials, as they already have been. You can cite and link the sources yourself. That’s the problem with people like you: you never wanna do the work. It is as if I saw the future! ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/33 "2016-05-31T01:26:00Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > See what I mean? You ask for facts, I provide them, you deny. > > This is why you can’t debate a leftist. Yeah. No fair having to produce _evidence_ to support your claims. Giraffe, what you’re looking for is a discourse in which you say something, and then people accept it as factual because you have said it. “Debate” isn’t really the word for that kind of discourse. And the word for people who won’t take the passive role in that discourse isn’t “leftist”; it’s “adult”. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/34 "2016-05-31T01:29:24Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > It is as if I saw the future! That’s funny, so did I; I predicted that you would ignore the cites that do show Trump misleading the American people regarding a scientific and economical issue as it is the issue of climate change. You are not fooling anyone, it is your problem if you are only telling others that you are not able to reply to that evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5e9695/32.png) [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffes_Can_t_Dance)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/35 "2016-05-31T01:29:57Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > Yeah. No fair having to produce _evidence_ to support your claims. > > Giraffe, what you’re looking for is a discourse in which you say something, and then people accept it as factual because you have said it. > > “Debate” isn’t really the word for that kind of discourse. And the word for people who won’t take the passive role in that discourse isn’t “leftist”; it’s “adult”. We have this wonderful invention called the computer. It would take merely a few minutes to research. The problem with you leftists is that you hate work. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/5e9695/32.png) [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffes_Can_t_Dance)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/36 "2016-05-31T01:33:12Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > That’s funny, so did I; I predicted that you would ignore the cites that do show Trump misleading the American people regarding a scientific and economical issue as it is the issue of climate change. > > You are not fooling anyone, it is your problem if you are only telling others that you are not able to reply to that evidence. Another insane leftist (excuse the repetition). I did notice your posts on Donald Trump. Donald Trump has nothing to do with this topic. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/37 "2016-05-31T01:37:10Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > Another insane leftist (excuse the repetition). > Insult noted. > [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > I did notice your posts on Donald Trump. Donald Trump has nothing to do with this topic. I was not talking about Donald specifically, that was a reply to your accusation that leftists are disregarding science, as mentioned before, you are not even wrong. So, once again, do you deny the evidence that shows that currently the Republicans and conservatives are ignoring science in congress and at the presidential level? ---
**Author:** ![Stringbean](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Stringbean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringbean)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/38 "2016-05-31T01:38:03Z")
When did economically-ignorant Progressive fairy tales ever go away? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/39 "2016-05-31T01:44:06Z")
> [@Stringbean](#): > > When did economically-ignorant Progressive fairy tales ever go away? I do not think it is fairy tale to get enough funds from the powerful banks or big institutions to deal with the next big economical disaster brought by the same powerful banks or big institutions. The fairy tale IMHO is to think that the same guys are not going to make a mess of things in the future. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2016, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087/40 "2016-05-31T01:51:27Z")
> [@Giraffes\_Can\_t\_Dance](#): > > We have this wonderful invention called the computer. It would take merely a few minutes to research. The problem with you leftists is that you hate work. Actually it took some effort to make the transcript of the quotes in post #25, yes, the same one that you ignored that showed the levels the conservatives and Republicans are going to deny science. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupy-wall-street-is-back-kindasorta/756087.md?page=3)