# \#OccupyWallStreet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851 "2011-09-19T18:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/181 "2011-09-27T18:49:50Z")
This mace vs. pepper spray subpoint is ridiculous, and I’ll try to dispense with it here. > [@elucidator](#): > > Excellent! Clarified, then. Not Mace, which is worse but merely pepper spray! Brutality Lite, then! Pepper spray store: > **[Mace vs. Pepper Spray](https://www.pepper-spray-store.com/pages/mace-vs-pepperspray)** > > If you're not sure about the differences between Mace vs. tear gas vs pepper spray, you're not alone. Learn about spray self defense products that can best protect you against an assailant. > [@](#): > > The Basics: Mace and Pepper Spray are two DIFFERENT self defense products > > ``` > Mace is classified as an irritant and is similar to tear gas. > > Pepper spray is classified as an inflammatory agent and will immediately incapacitate an assailant. > > Commonly, Mace has no affect on criminals under the influence of drugs or alcohol. Pepper spray will take down and cause temporary pain to those under the influence. > > Unlike pepper spray, Mace will NOT cause inflammation of the capillaries of the eyes and skin causing temporary blindness, nausea, breathing difficulties and an intense burning sensation. > > It is important to note that Mace is also a brand name associated with pepper spray products. > > ``` So, let’s review: 1. Pepper spray is stronger than mace, so those calling the stuff “Mace” are cutting the police some slack if anything. But really, all they’re doing is using a generic term that everyone understands. 2. And actually, Mace is a brand name. They make more than 1 product. They make tear-gas-in-a-canister. But they also make pepper spray. So referring to pepper spray as mace could be technically correct. It’s sort of like using the word “Xerox” to refer to photocopying, be it plain paper or the older technology. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/182 "2011-09-27T18:52:18Z")
I wonder if the cops were arresting someone, the protestors were freaking out about it and calling the cops fascists and shouting about how they were going to show the world their brutality and blah blah blah, and the whiteshirt lost his temper, came over, and pepper-sprayed the screamers to get them to shut up–realizing immediately afterward, of course, that pepper-spray isn’t known for its silence-inducing properties. I’m having trouble thinking of a substantially different plausible scenario. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/183 "2011-09-27T18:59:55Z")
The baggers cheered denying medical help to a person who did not buy health insurance, screaming let him die. The baggers jeered a soldier in Iraq who asked about whether the advances gays had made in the service would be rolled back by those in the Repub debate. The baggers applauding the fact that Texas has executed more people than any other state. A dope bagger cheers the police macing unarrmed non threatening women who march in Wall Street. Yep we know what SHODAN is. Sorry you people don’t understand the point of the marches. They are giving a message to the politicians that they are aware of the role bankers played in the financial meltdown. They are onto the fact that legislation preventing a recurrence has been stopped. The bankers were made whole with taxpayers money and have made conditions worse. If enough march, perhaps politicians will understand they are risking their jobs if they continue as it is. Like when we marched against the Vietnam war, the message was that we would not vote them back in. If the marches get big enough the police will escalate the violence. They fall back on the old “someone threw a bottle” trick. Then they wade in . It will get uglier. [http://www.iovs.org/content/41/8/2138.full](http://www.iovs.org/content/41/8/2138.full) There are short term visual effects from pepperspray and long term nerve damage. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/184 "2011-09-27T19:18:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > According to _Common Dreams_, the officer in the video has been identified as Deputy Inspector Tony Bologna. I swear, I am not making this up! Okay, now I’m starting to think that they _are_ making things up; that this cop doesn’t really exist–he’s a shill planted by the protesters. See, he’s also being sued in a civil rights complaint stemming from the 2004 Bush protests. Without passing on the veracity of those claims, note who the plaintiff is: Posr A. Posr. Link: [Pepper Spraying Cop Was Named In Civil Rights Complaints For 2004 Anti-Bush Protests](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/09/pepper_spraying_cop_was_named_in_civil_rights_comp.php?ref=fpblg) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/185 "2011-09-27T19:56:38Z")
Can’t fault them for thoroughness. Seven years and counting. Want to be sure, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/186 "2011-09-27T23:22:26Z")
Posr Posr? Anthony Bologna? They have to be making this stuff up. _"According to the complaint, Posr was arrested after he approached a car covered in anti-abortion slogans. According to Levine, “police contend that Posr hit the [driver] with a rolled-up newspaper.”_ Baaaad anti-abortion person!! Of course, the penalty for this act depends on if the victim was swatted with a cheap tabloid\* as opposed to the Sunday New York Times (the latter constituting assault with a deadly publication, a Class C felony). \*I believe that one might barely notice being whacked with the _Village Voice_. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/187 "2011-09-27T23:50:41Z")
Does anybody not believe that Bologna is a fucking sociopath? Those chicks weren’t in a position to hurt anybody or damage any property. They were already corralled. He hit them with the pepper spray once they were penned in, because they made an easy target. He hurt them because he enjoyed hurting them. He hurt them because he could. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2011, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/188 "2011-09-27T23:54:54Z")
> [@](#): > > A police official who had spoken to Inspector Bologna following the incident confirmed that the inspector had used the spray. “He did his job and now he’s concerned for the safety of his family,” said the official, who asked to remain anonymous because he was not authorized to confirm the inspector’s name. [http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/nyregion/wall-street-demonstrations-test-police-trained-for-bigger-threats.html?\_r=1&hp](http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/nyregion/wall-street-demonstrations-test-police-trained-for-bigger-threats.html?_r=1&hp) Yeah, right, he did his job. Shit stain. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/189 "2011-09-28T00:15:59Z")
Wait, these girls were up near Union Square. They’d already marched up miles from Wall Street. Miles, ending up in the street and blocking traffic in a very busy part of town, without a permit. If the cops were that bad they would have clubbed them before they even got through Chinatown. If I was walking near Union Square and saw a mob of chanting kids surging towards me in the street, I’d run like hell. I saw what happened with those kids of idiots in London. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/190 "2011-09-28T01:02:38Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Nope. Second count 34, the officer approaches with pepper spray in hand, hand exteneded. She has her back to him, most likely unaware of him or his hand. He releases the spray directly at her, and then continues to release his spray in a more general fashlon, which hits the woman next to her, who is facing in the cops direction. But he didn’t start with her, he started with the woman facing away. > > Its right there, second count 34. Ok. Ive watched it watched it a a bunch more times. This is what I will swear to on my life: 1. You must be totally fucking high because at second 34, the brunette is totally occluded by an officer in blue blocking her so you can’t see what actually happens 2. You must be totally fucking high because the brunette is turning away screaming with her eyes closed when we next see her at second 37. She has clearly already been maced. 3. After having sprayed the blonde and the brunette, the officer than sweeps the pen for good measure. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/191 "2011-09-28T01:06:46Z")
At the very end of the film one of the officer’s turns away in what looks like to me to be disbelief, to stare at the officer that maced the women. You know what? I like seeing hippy chicks on their knees, crying, as much as the next guy, but they shouldn’t have been maced. I’m wrong. The other police are in control, behaving professionally and aren’t acting like they are being threatened and that one guy cop just walks up and maces them. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/192 "2011-09-28T01:07:13Z")
**Mehitabel:** Oh, what the hell, oh, what the hell… You have information we don’t have. They marched from Wall St to where they were? These specific young women? They were blocking traffic? They were chanting? They constituted a mob? Did they say they marched from Wall St.? And if they didn’t, who would be in a position to know that they had or had not? Or, for that matter, that they had any actual connection to the protest at all? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/193 "2011-09-28T01:24:46Z")
**Scylla** , you must have had one hell of a four minutes between 8:02 and 8:06. Always good to see someone get a little smarter. Good for you! ---
**Author:** ![Sri\_Theo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Sri\_Theo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sri_Theo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/194 "2011-09-28T16:24:24Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/Pf6m_w7K8XM/maxresdefault.jpg "Simultaneous perspectives on "Occupy Wall Street" kettling and pepper spray / mace incident") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf6m_w7K8XM) Here’s a link to another perspective on the video - you can pretty clearly hear one of the girls asking where they should go to one of the officers before the guy comes and maces them. Also it shows all the incidents before that which were all clearly being well handled by other officers. ---
**Author:** ![Sri\_Theo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f04885/32.png) [@Sri\_Theo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sri_Theo)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/195 "2011-09-28T16:30:58Z")
Edit: Also found this [Occupy Wall Street 9/24 - Woman dragged, girls pepper sprayed - YouTube](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5z4x5tH1o#t=) 05m46s which shows the aftermath and before but not the actual event. Oh and Scylla - you know that chicks crying crack? I hope it helps explain the motivation behind some of the people that have caused you unnecessary pain in your life. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/196 "2011-09-28T16:36:43Z")
Oh, he’s only a tough guy on the internet. At home, he’s “Daddy”. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/197 "2011-09-28T16:55:28Z")
The police will always claim there was some infraction that forced them to use force. They were blocking traffic. Sure they were. They did not obey officers instructions. Wrong they were being corralled like sheep without resistance. Like some people on this board, they label them. They were hippies. Sure, that was 50 years ago. there are no hippies. They looked like educated white suburban types to me. They were non threatening and peaceful. The exact kind of person who deserves to be maced and arrested. Fear works on them. It is less effective on the desperate. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/198 "2011-09-28T18:53:41Z")
> [@Sri\_Theo](#): > > Edit: > > Also found this [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5z4x5tH1o#t=](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5z4x5tH1o#t=) 05m46s which shows the aftermath and before but not the actual event. Oh and Scylla - you know that chicks crying crack? I hope it helps explain the motivation behind some of the people that have caused you unnecessary pain in your life. Nobody’s caused me unnecessary pain, other than my own stupid self. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/199 "2011-09-30T05:45:32Z")
> **[Banks Left Bailout Program Early To Avoid Restrictions On Executive Pay: Report](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/banks-tarp-bailout_n_988148)** > > Banks Left Bailout Program Early To Avoid Restrictions On Executive Pay: Report Why do we not love our bankers? They are greedy pricks that is why. They pressured the regulators, who always give in to money and power, to allow them to leave TARP early. Before they were supposed to be ready to be solvent enough to withstand another crisis. The reason, to protect the bonuses of the banking executives. They love to make mega millions and have done such a fine job that they have earned it. If you did such a good job at work, they would fire you. ---
**Author:** ![Crawlspace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Crawlspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crawlspace)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/200 "2011-09-30T12:59:43Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Like some people on this board, they label them. They were hippies. Sure, that was 50 years ago. there are no hippies. They looked like educated white suburban types to me. I see them all the time at the concerts I go to. I’ve taken to calling them ‘yippies’: hippie children of yuppie parents. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=11)