# \#OccupyWallStreet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851 "2011-09-19T18:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/481 "2011-10-05T17:12:36Z")
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**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/482 "2011-10-05T17:26:37Z")
> [@jlzania](#): > > But you see, I **don’t** “profit off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.” > We don’t run a CAFO. > Our birds are always treated humanly. > As we state on our webpage, we practice transparency. > Anyone is welcome to visit the farm and see what we’re all about. > > Last month we had a vegetarian WWOOF volunteer stay with us and he observed the kill process. > Even Peter admitted that we made it as quick and painless as possible. > Now he hasn’t gone back to eating hamburgers but he was comfortable eating our chicken for dinner (twice!). OK. Except that PETA still disapproves of your operation. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/483 "2011-10-05T18:35:25Z")
And this just in from our good friends at Daily Kos (yeah, lefty as all git out, so sue me…) [http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1...ide&via=blog\_1](http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1...ide&via=blog_1) Over 500,000 “likes” for Occupy Wall Street Solidarity events, 40 percent growth since last night. Since last night! Hey, Counselor, maybe it was the Pitting you gave them? Who knows? If so, thanks! Sorry about your lawn… ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/484 "2011-10-05T19:10:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > OK. > > Except that PETA still disapproves of your operation. **Bricker** , do you think I’m going to have to pass an ideological purity test when I join Occupy Austin tomorrow afternoon? I suspect that you have never cooked for peace activists but I can assure you that 99% of them are more than pleased to chow down on raised right chicken. Usually they’re desperate for protein. 😃 I never got any shit from the vegetarians or even the vegans in the crowd. Just thanks for having a meatless entree available. Usually these folks are big on tolerance. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/485 "2011-10-05T19:15:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Hey, Counselor, maybe it was the Pitting you gave them? Who knows? If so, thanks! Sorry about your lawn… Could be. I’ve already eaten crow on the substance of my Pitting - I was way off base in considering this effort useless, given the effects it has had. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/486 "2011-10-05T19:22:31Z")
> [@jlzania](#): > > **Bricker** , do you think I’m going to have to pass an ideological purity test when I join Occupy Austin tomorrow afternoon? > I suspect that you have never cooked for peace activists but I can assure you that 99% of them are more than pleased to chow down on raised right chicken. > Usually they’re desperate for protein. 😃 > I never got any shit from the vegetarians or even the vegans in the crowd. > Just thanks for having a meatless entree available. > Usually these folks are big on tolerance. I find it difficult to reconcile that set of claims with what I know of PETA. As I understand it, PETA’s position is uncompromising: it’s wrong to kill a chicken and eat it. Undoubtedly, if given a choice, they would applaud your humane efforts over more unenlightened factory farming techniques, but I do not believe that would translate into approval for your occupation overall. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/487 "2011-10-05T20:20:30Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Could be. I’ve already eaten crow on the substance of my Pitting - I was way off base in considering this effort useless, given the effects it has had. Well, you never know, you just never know. They tried something similar a few months back, May, I think, and it was meh. Mostly harmless, and sank without a ripple. They were very polite, as I recall. Maybe there is no reason why this took off and the other didn’t. If you can have a cause without an effect, then you can have an effect without a cause. That’s Heisenberg. I think. Pretty sure. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/488 "2011-10-05T20:49:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Could be. I’ve already eaten crow on the substance of my Pitting Hey! No cruel treatment of non-human animals!! Let the Crow Go! ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/489 "2011-10-05T20:53:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Hey! No cruel treatment of non-human animals!! Let the Crow Go! It’s posts like this one that make me think Gitmo has some value after all! ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/490 "2011-10-05T21:03:06Z")
[QUOTE=RedFury] after all, getting arrested and having your name on file is not exactly conducive to life in the fast lane as far as your professional career aspirations are concerned. [/quote] From the look of the stream of drum banging rejects who just chanted past my office, I think the “professional career aspirations” ship sailed awhile ago. Who are they protesting to anyway? Most of the investment banks are all up in Midtown these days. And do you really think these people will be out in force come January bonus time when it’s 5 degrees out? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/491 "2011-10-05T21:15:36Z")
Some reason they should be? In order to satisfy _your_ expectations? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/492 "2011-10-05T21:25:56Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > It’s posts like this one that make me think Gitmo has some value after all! Yet another topic that doesn’t get any buzz these days. I think everyone has just given up on that. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/493 "2011-10-05T21:42:29Z")
Although I was a vegetarian for seven years, a vegan for six months, and a sous chef in a vegan catering service for several years, I can’t say that I ever cooked a peace activist. I wonder what they taste like – probably a bit stringy. ---
**Author:** ![Zeriel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/58956e/32.png) [@Zeriel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeriel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/494 "2011-10-05T22:20:39Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I find it difficult to reconcile that set of claims with what I know of PETA. As I understand it, PETA’s position is uncompromising: it’s wrong to kill a chicken and eat it. Undoubtedly, if given a choice, they would applaud your humane efforts over more unenlightened factory farming techniques, but I do not believe that would translate into approval for your occupation overall. The reality of the progressive movement is that the same folks who’ll say, “yeah, sure, PETA, in an ideal world you’re right so here’s a placard spot” will also eat free-range chicken on the same day. It’s somewhere between pragmatism and a borderline-ridiculous degree of big-tentism. ---
**Author:** ![jlzania](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/67e7ee/32.png) [@jlzania](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jlzania)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/495 "2011-10-05T22:22:09Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Although I was a vegetarian for seven years, a vegan for six months, and a sous chef in a vegan catering service for several years, I can’t say that I ever cooked a peace activist. I wonder what they taste like – probably a bit stringy. You have to simmer them slowly for at least 5 hours or they’re very tough. Quite flavorful though. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/496 "2011-10-05T22:33:50Z")
> [@jlzania](#): > > You have to simmer them slowly for at least 5 hours or they’re very tough. > Quite flavorful though. Be sure to wash them thoroughly first. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/497 "2011-10-06T00:01:02Z")
> [@jlzania](#): > > **Scylla** -I’m days late and pages behind but I wanted to briefly address your notion that I’m some kind of young dewy idealist. I’m a farmer and I have very limited computer time which is why I generally prefer to lurk. Not that I think you’ve been waiting breathlessly for my reply or anything. Real life needs to come first. Assholes like me will always be waiting when you come back, so no worries. > [@](#): > > Although I didn’t get anything as impressive as a degree in finance, my husband and I have built a modestly sucessful pastured poultry business in central Texas-humanely raised meat broilers that are antibiotic and hormone free. Chicken that won’t kill you that actually tastes like chicken. > We have one fulltime employee that we pay a living wage. > (I can’t afford to give him health insurance yet but someday I hope to make that happen.) > We are keeping a local feed store in business-we’re 45% of his total weekly sales right now. > Most of our money goes directly back to the local economy. > Nobody gets exploited in my business, fossil fuel usage is minimum, our rotating pasture model sustains the land, people get fed. > And I can use a screwdriver, eviscerate a chicken in under a minute, drive a tractor, use a drill, build a field pen, track a predator, and direct market chickens to some of the best restaurants in Austin. > > I can’t offer up a sophisticated analysis of the economy like you can. Your chickens are probably worth more than my analysis, anyday. Anyway, I would trade my analysis for some chicken. I bought a 90 acre farm and lived there for ten years. Raised a couple of chickens, and since then, I always make the effort to buy farm raised at the Farmers market. A regular chicken (not one of those mutants purdue has bred,) allowed to eat a mix of food and walk around tastes **so** much better than what you get at the supermarket (except if you feed them fish, than they don’t taste good. Learned that.) So no, I appreciate what you do and realize the mix of skills required to do it successfully is formidable. > [@](#): > > All I know is this: > I know friends my age, people that have spent their lives working for major corporation,have watched their retirement account vanish in the last five years. Yup. Met too, Mine, too. It’s nobody else’s fault but my own, and in ten years I think it’ll be bigger than ever. > [@](#): > > I know that a lot of my farmers market clients are struggling to find fulltime work. I’m sorry. I know that here, in Central PA there are several companies that can’t find enough people to hire. And, I know some people who are waiting out their unemployment before they go looking seriously. I don’t blame them. If you figure unemployment gives you $8 an hour, and somebody wants to hire you for $10, then you are really working for $2. > [@](#): > > I know that the vets I’ve met through the peace movement with PTSD have been fucked six ways to Sunday on their benefits. There is a lot that is wrong with the world. I think it’s hard to blame corporations for Veteran’s benefits though, wouldn’t you agree? > [@](#): > > I do know that schools are closing in Austin or slashing programs. > I know hardworking people that have lost their health insurance. > I could go on but I think you know these people too. I do. It seems to me like were casting a lot of blame on corporations or investment bankers that really don’t have anything to do with them. > [@](#): > > I didn’t have much hope for the junior senator from Illinois after he screwed us on public finance and FISA but I saw a lot of young people work their asses off for him only to become completely disillusioned. > Now I see them taking to the streets and it makes me glad. Why? I mean seriously, why? Why on earth would you think he would or could fix things. Has he done anything? He hasn’t even closed Gitmo. For chrissake’s at least Bush would actually do what he said. At least you knew where he stood. This guy hasn’t done anything but continue Bush’s policies while pretending he stood for “change.” Christ, the gullibility. What do you think is going to happen by taking to the streets? I mean overrall our society is an incredibly complex and interrelated system. If you step back and use human history as a comparison, it works **incredibly** well for the bulk of the people. We are spolied by how good we have it. We haven’t really had a serious problem societywise since the Great Depression. Few of us remember that. But we have become so spoiled by the largesse of the last 3 decades that we think we have it coming to us, and we whine and take to the streets because our houses don’t keep appreciating at 15% year. Or, we can’t find jobs that we like? To a mexican, our country is ripe with opportunity. He just looks at things a little more realistically. And people have the nerve to compare this to the Arab Spring? That’s like Johnny Depp comparing getting photographed to getting raped. It’s such a stupid comparison that it reveals just incredible ignorance of what real suffering, real social injustice is. Anyway, the point is that these protestors don’t even know what the problem is, much less the solution. Sadly, the solution is that we, as a society need to get lean and mean, and suffer for a while, readjust our expectations, so that we can be competitive and excel. It has nothing to do with Obama, or Bush, or Bankers. It has to do with the fact that we overrall, as a society… suck. > [@](#): > > And **LHOD** , I’m sorry that the current protestors aren’t organized enough for you. > I’m sorry that their demands aren’t coherent enough. > But ya gotta start somewhere. > And I suspect that you’re the sort of person that would prefer a revolution you can’t dance to. > Did you know that the Selma to Montegomery march wasn’t supposed to happen either? Oh, Im a dancing fool. We’re looking for revolution in the wrong direction. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/498 "2011-10-06T00:04:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Be sure to wash them thoroughly first. Oh, you’d _like_ that, wouldn’t you, you perv. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/499 "2011-10-06T01:28:36Z")
> **[LIVE UPDATES: Occupy Wall Street Protesters To March With Unions, Others](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/live-updates-occupy-wall-street_n_996655)** > > LIVE UPDATES: Occupy Wall Street Protesters To March With Unions, Others Here are pictures from the Wall Street march. They are all ages and many occupations. Calling them hippies or unwashed is dishonest. They are a cross section of Americans who are pissed at the theft of our wealth by those who bought our government. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/500 "2011-10-06T01:50:44Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > [Occupy Wall Street Protesters To March With Unions, Others [LIVE UPDATES] | HuffPost Impact](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/05/live-updates-occupy-wall-street_n_996655.html#s391492) > Here are pictures from the Wall Street march. They are all ages and many occupations. Calling them hippies or unwashed is dishonest. They are a cross section of Americans who are pissed at the theft of our wealth by those who bought our government. Ummm, I’m not being dishonest, but they look like a bunch hippy weirdos to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=26)