# \#OccupyWallStreet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851 "2011-09-19T18:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/101 "2011-09-26T15:32:48Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Now how about answering my question? Seriously irate at the protesters - it’s such a counterproductive move and inflames the situation - and relieved that in this instance the police had not assaulted them. Is there a reason you asked? I mean, sometimes police officers do assault protesters without provocation, and sometimes protesters act like douches. Not being there, we’ve only got the news reports to go by. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/102 "2011-09-26T15:40:23Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Seriously irate at the protesters - it’s such a counterproductive move and inflames the situation - and relieved that in this instance the police had not assaulted them. > > Is there a reason you asked? I mean, sometimes police officers do assault protesters without provocation, and sometimes protesters act like douches. Not being there, we’ve only got the news reports to go by. I imagine he asked because he wants to create the illusion that the protesters are at fault. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/103 "2011-09-26T15:54:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > If you were to learn that there was no mace involved – that the female protesters feigned their reaction in order to make it appear as though the police had used mace on them – what would your reaction be? What was that spray? Axe body spray? He clearly pulls something off his belt and sprays them in the face. Another officer who was holding the pen got a little on his eyes and he reacted as well. Was he faking? Do you have some ‘evidence’ that it was fake? Why would you ask such a BS question? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/104 "2011-09-26T16:09:22Z")
> [@Zebra](#): > > What was that spray? Axe body spray? He clearly pulls something off his belt and sprays them in the face. Another officer who was holding the pen got a little on his eyes and he reacted as well. Was he faking? > > Do you have some ‘evidence’ that it was fake? Why would you ask such a BS question? Because, although I have no personal knowledge of the event, a friend of mine is a NYC police officer, and although HE has no personal knowledge of the event, he tells me that he was at an earlier protest (NYU in '09) in which that tactic was used by protesters. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/105 "2011-09-26T16:29:58Z")
Boy, **Bricker** , you really have a gift for coming up with interesting, if irrelevent, hypothetical questions. By which you probe the inherent bias and prejudice of the liberal mindset, how quickly we leap to conclusions based on flimsy evidence! We used to do stuff like that all the time. Like, a couple hundred of us all light fat doobies at the same time, then take such a monster toke that it leaves us choking and coughing. What with the big cloud of smoke, we fooled people into believing that tear gas was being used on us! I guess we should have known that, sooner or later, somebody would come along who was too smart to fall for our tricks. Luckily, back then, you hadn’t been born yet. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/106 "2011-09-26T16:32:02Z")
Who’s quote is that, anyway? The one about how in science, so often a beautiful theory is destroyed by a single, ugly anecdote? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/107 "2011-09-26T16:52:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Because, although I have no personal knowledge of the event, a friend of mine is a NYC police officer, and although HE has no personal knowledge of the event, he tells me that he was at an earlier protest (NYU in '09) in which that tactic was used by protesters. Well, that **proves** it! I mean, this isn’t even _hearsay_, Bricker, it’s hearsay about a \*different protest \*in a _different year_. (Same city, though, so I guess that cinches it. :rolleyes:\*\*) So if someone told me of an instance where a woman accused a man of raping her, then it was found out she was lying, I should conclude that the next time I heard a woman accuse a man of rape, she must be lying also? ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/108 "2011-09-26T17:02:47Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Well, that **proves** it! > > I mean, this isn’t even _hearsay_, Bricker, it’s hearsay about a \*different protest \*in a _different year_. (Same city, though, so I guess that cinches it. :rolleyes:\*\*) > > So if someone told me of an instance where a woman accused a man of raping her, then it was found out she was lying, I should conclude that the next time I heard a woman accuse a man of rape, she must be lying also? Of course not. And of course, consistent with what you wrote, I never said that this proves it, or even that this makes it likely. Did I? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/109 "2011-09-26T17:56:16Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Of course not. > > And of course, consistent with what you wrote, I never said that this proves it, or even that this makes it likely. Did I? No, instead you just insinuated it did. Because you’re a dishonest piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/110 "2011-09-26T19:02:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Because, although I have no personal knowledge of the event, a friend of mine is a NYC police officer, and although HE has no personal knowledge of the event, he tells me that he was at an earlier protest (NYU in '09) in which that tactic was used by protesters. I’m not sure how that’s an answer to **Zebra’s** question, which was, “Why would you ask such a BS question?” It looks to me like a total _non sequitur_. Yes, some protestors are dishonest. Was that your entire point? If so, I think it could have been made in a much more straightforward fashion. The most obvious reading of what you posted–especially given your history of posting gotchas or semigotchas in an effort to forestall goalpost-moves–is that you had evidence that these particular protestors were faking. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/111 "2011-09-26T19:57:23Z")
Well, I didn’t. I took is as a hypothetical diversion, strategy being “I don’t like the way this is going, perhaps if I change the subject.” Never expected any evidence. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/112 "2011-09-26T20:19:52Z")
I don’t get the hippie references. They are probably the bankers now. That was long ago. I guess Cartman is alive and well in the hearts and minds of some right wing dopers. Lots of people are incensed because the bankers caused the financial mess and walked away free and got made whole through our tax money. Strange, but lots of people object to that. Some people decided to try and make the bankers uncomfortable for what they did. They protested where they work , to make them understand that they hurt a lot of us and we are mad. We used to have a right to protest . But the police have always worked for the rich. You know damn well they will hurt you if they can get away with it. That is why they arrest the camera people. Macing women, totally expected. Don’t let the cops catch you where there are no witnesses. ---
**Author:** ![Hello\_Again](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/85e7bf/32.png) [@Hello\_Again](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hello_Again)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/113 "2011-09-26T20:44:43Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Macing women, totally expected. Question: in between bouts of hating the police, have you ever learned the difference between Mace and pepper spray? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/114 "2011-09-26T21:22:49Z")
He’s still struggling with the shit vs. Shinola thing. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/115 "2011-09-26T21:31:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Well, I didn’t. I took is as a hypothetical diversion, strategy being “I don’t like the way this is going, perhaps if I change the subject.” Never expected any evidence. Guess I’m a doe-eyed sucker, because for a moment I really thought he was gonna pull out a primo “gotcha.” Is it bait-and-switch when the bait turns out to be chum? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/116 "2011-09-26T22:00:49Z")
“AAAaaarrgh! I’ve been Maced!” “Shut up, you wimpy hippy, that’s just pepper spray!” “Oh, really? Well, then, never mind…” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/117 "2011-09-26T22:07:24Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > No, instead you just insinuated it did. Because you’re a dishonest piece of shit. My advice to you is learn to read. It would help you in many different areas of life. [This link has](http://www.rif.org/) some useful resources. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/118 "2011-09-26T22:16:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My advice to you is learn to read. It would help you in many different areas of life. [This link has](http://www.rif.org/) some useful resources. We read just fine. That seems to be what’s bothering you. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/119 "2011-09-26T22:45:37Z")
> [@Hello\_Again](#): > > Question: in between bouts of hating the police, have you ever learned the difference between Mace and pepper spray? [http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/26/occupy-wall-street-protest-slowly-spreads-across-the-united-states/](http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/09/26/occupy-wall-street-protest-slowly-spreads-across-the-united-states/) Article says mace. Once you read it , tell SHODAN who is a right wing attack puppy. Name calling and insults, devoid of content. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/120 "2011-09-26T22:59:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > My advice to you is learn to read. It would help you in many different areas of life. [This link has](http://www.rif.org/) some useful resources. So do you always become a shrill bitch when you’re called out on your bullshit? Actually, normally you don’t. Is something wrong at home? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=7)