# \#OccupyWallStreet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851 "2011-09-19T18:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 60
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1181 "2011-10-26T23:49:59Z")
Fox news claims occupy is funded by ACORN assholes committing fraud: > **[EXCLUSIVE: ACORN Playing Behind Scenes Role in 'Occupy' Movement](https://www.foxnews.com/us/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement)** > > The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group, is playing a key role in the self-proclaimed “leaderless” Occupy Wall Street movement, organizing “guerrilla” protest events and hiring door-to-door canvassers to collect... ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1182 "2011-10-26T23:52:54Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Fox news claims occupy is funded by ACORN assholes committing fraud: > > [http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/](http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/26/exclusive-acorn-playing-behind-scenes-role-in-occupy-movement/) ACORN’s dead, dead, dead as a doornail. That asshole O’Keefe and that other asshole Breitbart (with plenty of help from spineless Congressional Democrats) saw to that. Fox is lying, as usual. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2011, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1183 "2011-10-26T23:58:11Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > ACORN’s dead, dead, dead as a doornail. That asshole O’Keefe and that other asshole Breitbart (with plenty of help from spineless Congressional Democrats) saw to that. Fox is lying, as usual. Not that I care one way or the other, but did you read the article? Fox agrees with you that ACORN is dead. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1184 "2011-10-27T00:00:13Z")
Yeah, what are you, a stupid liar? You can tell Fox agrees ACORN is dead because of this quote from an anonymous source: > [@](#): > > They’re doing the same stuff now that got ACORN in trouble to begin with. And yes, we’re still ACORN, there is a still a national ACORN. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1185 "2011-10-27T00:06:23Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Yeah, what are you, a stupid liar? You can tell Fox agrees ACORN is dead because of this quote from an anonymous source: Because the 40 bajillion mentions of “ex-ACORN” this and “former ACORN” that and “The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group” in the article aren’t there. Well played, genius. The implication is that ACORN is dead and the activists that used to form ACORN now exist under the guise of a different group. Glad I could do the math for you. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1186 "2011-10-27T00:07:42Z")
It is good to see the rightards are still scared to death of ACORN. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1187 "2011-10-27T00:09:53Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Not that I care one way or the other, but did you read the article? Fox agrees with you that ACORN is dead. Yes, they are referring to former ACORN folks. Still, I don’t think a story that is reported only by FOX has any credibility. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1188 "2011-10-27T00:11:14Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yes, they are referring to former ACORN folks. Still, I don’t think a story that is reported only by FOX has any credibility. I don’t necessarily disagree, but at least read and comprehend the frigging article. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1189 "2011-10-27T00:11:27Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > You can’t even phrase the question in a non-douchey manner, can you? “Rioters” my ass. Typical right-wingtard exaggerated invective. I must have missed all the looting and violence and destruction of property that usually constitutes riots. I’m sure the police chief can give you plenty of examples while you’re busy sucking his cock, though. > > Nevertheless, I’ll answer your dipshit question. _If_ people were assaulting the police, depending on the severity of the attacks, I could see using tear gas to disperse the crowd. Rubber bullets and flash bang grenades? Not even remotely necessary. Oh please, get over yourself. All the squishy lefties on this site do is snipe at the ‘right-wingtards’… or pubtards… or dumbfuckistan, or whatever. And no, I’m not a right winger, nor am I all that conservative. At least according to regular America - within the spectrum of this board, most of the posters here make Howard Dean look like Pat Buchanan, so maybe I would qualify as that. I’m glad to see that meager efforts like tear gas are within your arsenal of reasonable responses. I would think that other non-lethal steps, yes including rubber bullets, are fine when the hippies and trust fund babies are throwing rocks, bottles, and hell, M-80s, at my troops. But you are entitled to your opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1190 "2011-10-27T00:12:36Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yes, they are referring to former ACORN folks. Still, I don’t think a story that is reported only by FOX has any credibility. I dunno. Didn’t they bust acorn all by themselves the last two times? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1191 "2011-10-27T00:14:10Z")
Of course ACORN is dead, but trying to pump up the ghost of ACORN bogeyman just shows the mendacity of FOX news. Meanwhile, people that are not even related to the caricature of protester that was made by Breitbart and Fox are willing to protest even with the risks. [http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201\_162-20126164/iraq-vet-injured-by-police-at-occupy-oakland/](http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-20126164/iraq-vet-injured-by-police-at-occupy-oakland/) > [@](#): > > (CBS/AP) > > OAKLAND, Calif. - The clash between Oakland police and Occupy Wall Street protesters left a Marine veteran who served two Iraq tours in critical condition Wednesday after he was struck by a police projectile, a veterans group said. > > Scott Olsen, 24, suffered a fracture skull Tuesday as he marched with other protesters toward City Hall, said Dottie Guy, of the Iraq Veterans Against the War. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1192 "2011-10-27T00:16:51Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > Because the 40 bajillion mentions of “ex-ACORN” this and “former ACORN” that and “The former New York office for ACORN, the disbanded community activist group” in the article aren’t there. Well played, genius. > The implication is that ACORN is dead and the activists that used to form ACORN now exist under the guise of a different group. Glad I could do the math for you. Who is the subject of the title of the article? followup Q: is it in the present tense? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Smashy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/2bfe46/32.png) [@Mr\_Smashy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Smashy)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1193 "2011-10-27T00:18:15Z")
So the question is, did the modern-day rebels in Oakland have it coming? I see the [NY Times](http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/26/police-said-to-fire-tear-gas-at-protesters-in-oakland-calif/), the lib’s bible, has updated their blog with the piece from the San Francisco Chronicle: > [@](#): > > Early on, the scene outside City Hall was largely peaceful, but it was a different story a few blocks west on Washington Street. Officers in riot gear hemmed in protesters around 6 p.m. and tried to arrest one person, as about 50 more surrounded them shouting, “Let him go, let him go.” > > _ **Protesters threw turquoise and red paint at the riot police officers’ faces and helmets. Some led the crowd in chanting, “This is why we call you pigs.”** _ > > Others pleaded with the agitators to be peaceful and return to the march, yet some _ **protesters tried to fight with the police** _ and were clubbed and kicked in return. (emphasis mine) This is what the defenders of these crybabies are saying is OK? > [@](#): > > Toward the end of the night, protesters continued throwing objects at officers, only to be tear gassed in return. After the fourth exchange, some demonstrators took to their bullhorns to try to stop their peers from goading the police. About 150 to 200 protesters remained at Frank Ogawa Plaza after 11 p.m., staring down the officers keeping them from entering. and > [@](#): > > While the majority of damage was limited to trash cans set on fire and a stolen traffic sign at 15th and Broadway, the worst damage of the night was when protesters smashed the back window of a California Highway Patrol cruiser. Are you suggesting that the police _broke their own cruiser_? Or are you ready to admit that the kids in Oakland were getting way out of hand and got what they had coming? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1194 "2011-10-27T00:18:29Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I dunno. Didn’t they bust acorn all by themselves the last two times? They made a mountain out of molehill, but even then the other news outlets were reporting the story, such as it was. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1195 "2011-10-27T00:25:52Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Who is the subject of the title of the article? > > followup Q: is it in the present tense? Really? You really want me to answer? OK Fine 1. ACORN 2. in the present tense Quiz time over? Good. Did you get that the headline was to grab your attention and get you to read the ACTUAL content of the article? Good. Did you read the ACTUAL content of the article? Good. Did you read the myriad mentions of the organization known as ACORN being non-existent in the present tense? No? How unfortunate. Did you get that the article implied that ACORN is dead and the activists that used to form ACORN now exist under the guise of a different group (Goddamn, that sounds familiar) ? No? How unfortunate. Again glad I could do the math for you.. and apparently a follow up pop quiz for good measure. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1196 "2011-10-27T00:42:27Z")
You know this little exercise kicked off with **jayjay** saying Fox was lying about ACORN, right? And you correcting him? And now you’re wondering how I could miss that the attention-grabbing headline and part of the article is actually contradicted by another part of the article, so obviously even though they _said_ it, they can’t actually think it’s _true_. You are correcting in the wrong direction. ---
**Author:** ![Cyclone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/db5fbb/32.png) [@Cyclone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyclone)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1197 "2011-10-27T00:42:50Z")
Got to tell you, I have supported Obama up until he started playing poker with Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid during the debt ceiling talks. Basically, his last chance with me is make this American Jobs Act work. If he fails, I will support Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries. In 2008 Obama came into office, controlled both houses of Congress, and added billions to the TARP - Wall Street Bail Out. Since that time have you seen \*\*ANY \*\*financial restructuring of America? Did anyone hold hearings on the Wall Street Bail Out? Did anyone go to jail? Main Street is broke, and Wall Street is rolling high again. What has our treasured Democratic Party done for the average American? One thing, extend unemployment benefits when Americans are screaming for JOBS. Now you see why my avatar says, “feel politically homeless.” OWS is a about all we have, and big city mayors are f\*ucking that up. [http://media.kentucky.com/smedia/2011/10/25/17/39/277-EQg2f.AuSt.55.jpg](http://media.kentucky.com/smedia/2011/10/25/17/39/277-EQg2f.AuSt.55.jpg) 85 arrested in Oakland, CA yesterday as mayor pressures OWS ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1198 "2011-10-27T00:55:34Z")
What a fascinating article! Man, have they ever got sources! Oodles of sources! Sources say this, sources say that. They even have direct verbatim quotes from sources. Talk about the gold standard of journalistic integrity! > [@](#): > > …Another source, who said she was hired from a homeless shelter, said she was first sent to the protests before being deployed to Central Islip, Long Island, to canvass for a campaign against home foreclosures. > > “I went to the protests every day for two weeks and made $10 an hour. They made me carry NYCC signs and big orange banners that say NYCC in white letters. About 50 others were hired around my time to go to the protests. We went to protests in and around Zuccotti Park, then to the big Times Square protest,” she said… So they got about fifty people getting ten bucks an hour? Somebody is spending $5,000 an hour to make it iook like maybe fifty people showed up? What? But still, the old Fox is slipping, not quite on top of their game. For instance, this about the demise of ACORN: > [@](#): > > …ACORN offices disbanded and reorganized under new names after undercover video exposes prompted Congress to cut off federal funds… The perfect opportunity to slip in a bit of innuendo, squandered. They could have just obliquely mentioned that the scandal had to do with child prostitution, but it slipped through their grasp. Just not up to their usual form. Of course, they would have to find a source… ---
**Author:** ![Xema](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9de053/32.png) [@Xema](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xema)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1199 "2011-10-27T01:10:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So they got about fifty people getting ten bucks an hour? Somebody is spending $5,000 an hour to make it iook like maybe fifty people showed up? Note that 50 x 10 = 500. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1200 "2011-10-27T01:13:24Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > They made a mountain out of molehill, but even then the other news outlets were reporting the story, such as it was. Only after Fox broke the story. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=59) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=61)