# \#OccupyWallStreet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851 "2011-09-19T18:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 62
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1221 "2011-10-27T02:17:54Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Really? While “kill the gays” isn’t the Republican party platform, it is the platform of some of their supporters. And “make the gays second-class citizens and hopefully force them back into the closet” is only a LITTLE better. See question directed to Scylla. Assuming you aren’t going to faint. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1222 "2011-10-27T02:18:08Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh please. How many self-identifying Republicans do you think want to kill gays? You’ve entered cartoonland. “Darn those gays! Why do they make such a fuss about a few knifings in dark alleys and brutal beatings outside gay bars? Don’t they know that a major political party doesn’t officially want them dead?!” ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1223 "2011-10-27T02:18:53Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > You’ve never heard of Michele Bachmann? Rick Santorum? Romney and Perry have both signed the National Organization for Marriage’s pledge to sponsor a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. > > If you can’t see that the Republican Party is officially anti-gay, and, in fact, couldn’t have any kind of electoral victory without its legions of right-wing Christian homophobes voting for it, I can’t help you. I don’t believe that you, personally, are homophobic or anti-gay. I don’t remember what your stance on marriage equality is. But the fact is that you support a party that IS anti-gay, even though the party leadership may be seeing the tide turning on that and may be making noises to kind of quiet down on the whole thing…they can’t do that and still get the evangelical/fundamentalist votes. And they know that. > > I don’t care if the party stance is heartfelt or whether it’s cynical vote-pandering. It affects me the same way. Kerry, and Obama, and in fact every presidential candidate, Republican and Democrat have openly been against gay marriage. Personally, I support gay marriage. If your argument is that Democrats are less openly hostile, or more gay friendly than Republicans, than, sadly, I think you are correct. If my party affiliation were determined by the single issue of gay rights, I would be a democrat. It’s not. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1224 "2011-10-27T02:18:57Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Vastly more than the number of self-identifying Democrats who want to do so. So, greater than 0? 1? 5? 100? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1225 "2011-10-27T02:19:22Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > See question directed to Scylla. Assuming you aren’t going to faint. Are you seriously suggesting that the majority of people who are so homophobic that they want to seriously injure or kill gay men or lesbians are LESS likely to identify as Republican than Democrat? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1226 "2011-10-27T02:21:19Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > If my party affiliation were determined by the single issue of gay rights, I would be a democrat. It’s not. It must be nice to have the option for it not to be. And before you mention LCR or GoProud, I have only pity and disgust for people whose wallet comes before their own person. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1227 "2011-10-27T02:21:27Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, greater than 0? 1? 5? 100? Serious question: Do you think those who would be likely to commit violence against gays (which _does_ still happen in the country) would be more likely to be conservative or liberal? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1228 "2011-10-27T02:21:40Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Really? I know no Democrat showed up in favor of gay marriage. I am not aware of any Republican presidential candidate who wants to take away gay rights. Can you show me a link? > > I know Clinton signed Doma, and I know that before his death Goldwater, a Republican was a strong advocate for gay rights, and, iirc Arizona had an openly gay republican governor, and Log cabin republicans actually on a case to repeal don’t ask, don’t tell. > > In fact, I don’t know any Republicans personally hat have nothing against gays. > > I don’t. I don’t thinker Bricker Shodan, or any other republican does, so no, I think your accusation is greatly exaggerated. > > Anyway, it doesn’t really matter does it? You eel Republicans are anti-gay. I’m a Republican. In your eyes it oesn’t matter what I actually think or believe. I’m guilty by association. > > This is hat I mean by the scary intolerance. > **[1121a6%20Gay%20Marriage.pdf](https://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/1121a6%20Gay%20Marriage.pdf)** > > 84.24 KB ```auto % supporting gay marriage Now 2006 Change Men 53 35 +18 Women 53 43 +10 **Democrats 64 47 +17 Republicans 31 23 +8** Independents 58 45 +13 **Liberals 76 66 +10** Moderates 63 42 +21 **Conservatives 29 20 +9** Whites 53 40 +13 Nonwhites 54 34 +20 White Catholics 63 40 +23 White Protestants: Evangelical 25 14 +11 Non-evang. 57 41 +16 ``` ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1229 "2011-10-27T02:22:11Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > “Darn those gays! Why do they make such a fuss about a few knifings in dark alleys and brutal beatings outside gay bars? Don’t they know that a major political party doesn’t officially want them dead?!” I don’t think violent attacks against gays are politically motivated. Do you? ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1230 "2011-10-27T02:25:26Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I don’t think violent attacks against gays are politically motivated. Do you? I don’t see how they _aren’t_, insofar as political ideology is a way of rationalizing hatred and biases. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1231 "2011-10-27T02:25:49Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It must be nice to have the option for it not to be. And before you mention LCR or GoProud, I have only pity and disgust for people whose wallet comes before their own person. You have he option to not live your life based on a single issue, just as I do. I do 't understand what your last sentence means. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1232 "2011-10-27T02:26:27Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I don’t think violent attacks against gays are politically motivated. Do you? It’s not that they’re politically motivated. It’s that the Republican Party fosters an attitude that gays are perverted, or inferior. Michele Bachmann and her husband actually run a therapy business that purports (against all scientific evidence) to allow gays the opportunity to become straight because being gay is “part of Satan”. Rick Santorum thinks being gay is equivalent to fucking dogs. These are actual Republican presidential candidates! ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1233 "2011-10-27T02:27:07Z")
> [@woodstockbirdybird](#): > > Because you’ve got typos all over the place. Fucking iPad. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1234 "2011-10-27T02:34:13Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > You have he option to not live your life based on a single issue, just as I do. No, I don’t. This is an issue that goes to the very center of my being and determines whether or not I get to live my life as an equal citizen of this country. And one of the two major parties thinks I shouldn’t have that option. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1235 "2011-10-27T02:43:08Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > You have he option to not live your life based on a single issue, just as I do. Don’t you find it a bit odd conservatives, and republicans want to deny equality to a group of people for no other reason than either religious persecution, or outright stupidity? What does that say about their reasoning ability in general? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1236 "2011-10-27T02:51:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > So, greater than 0? 1? 5? 100? You say an elephant is “vastly bigger” than a mouse? Well, how much bigger? A hundred times? A thousand? Is that a standard lab mouse, or a European mouse? A Harvard mouse or a MIT mouse? ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1237 "2011-10-27T03:01:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Zero responsibility. You’re asking them to put themselves at greater risk against a crowd. A crowd that can easily turn into a violent mob, as happens more than rarely. The protesters get hurt every time . But if the police refused to go in, nobody would get hurt. The protesters are not doing harm. The cops are. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1238 "2011-10-27T03:03:30Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > It’s not that they’re politically motivated. It’s that the Republican Party fosters an attitude that gays are perverted, or inferior. Michele Bachmann and her husband actually run a therapy business that purports (against all scientific evidence) to allow gays the opportunity to become straight because being gay is “part of Satan”. Rick Santorum thinks being gay is equivalent to fucking dogs. These are actual Republican presidential candidates! Yes. Al Sharpton was an actual Democratic presidential candidate. Can I attribute everything he says to all Democrats? Anyway, you are not going to like his, but I respect their opinions without sharing them. If people aren’t happy being gay and seek to get “cured.” that’s sad, as sad in my eyes as a man or a woman who maims themselves to get a sex change. I think it’s a bad choice, but I recognize that it’s thir choice. So, I don’t agree with the Bachmans, but I don’t want o stop them. As for Santorum, I’m not sure xactly what he meant, but i am familiar with he argument, and it’s various versions. Basically the religious belief of some is that sex is primarily about reproduction. Sex for other purposes is a sin, though a venial one. Taking empty pleasure of the flesh is spiritually distracting, and really we should all have better things to do with our time. This belief makes no distinction between sex with a condom, masturbation, oral sex, homosexual sex, or sex with a dog. Primarily, I think this argument is best used on 14 year old boys who have just discovered whacking off and do it about 15 hours a day, sexual addicts, and such. In a response to questions about what he meant, Santorum seemed to be claiming this interpretation (though i on’t believe him) ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1239 "2011-10-27T03:06:27Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > No, I don’t. This is an issue that goes to the very center of my being and determines whether or not I get to live my life as an equal citizen of this country. And one of the two major parties thinks I shouldn’t have that option. Personally, I think there is more to you than being gay, and while I think there are real inequalities to be addresses, this kind dof hyperbole helps no one. Gays least of all. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1240 "2011-10-27T03:08:48Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Don’t you find it a bit odd conservatives, and republicans want to deny equality to a group of people for no other reason than either religious persecution, or outright stupidity? > > What does that say about their reasoning ability in general? In “general?”. In general I think that people who make such broad and sweeping generalizations as you have, are the ones who’s reasoning ability is questionable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=61) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=63)