# \#OccupyWallStreet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851 "2011-09-19T18:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 64
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1261 "2011-10-27T13:01:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Stupidity? > > Regards, > Shodan I wasn’t talking about you, dear… ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1262 "2011-10-27T13:31:36Z")
So it _was_ stupidity. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1263 "2011-10-27T13:35:47Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So it _was_ stupidity. > > Regards, > Shodan Keep screaming into the black abyss of the future, caveman. Your kind are losing their hold on the world, minute by minute. At some point, maybe in my lifetime, people are going to look back on the homophobic bullshit the way we look at Jim Crow. And the Republican Party will get to play the part of the Dixiecrats. Funny…most of those became Republicans after the Democrats told them to up sticks and get out. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1264 "2011-10-27T13:52:02Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > . And the Republican Party will get to play the part of the Dixiecrats. Funny…most of those became Republicans after the Democrats told them to up sticks and get out. You do realize, of course, that this is complete horseshit, right? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1265 "2011-10-27T14:10:15Z")
> [@FuriousGeorge](#): > > You do realize, of course, that this is complete horseshit, right? My terms were off, I admit after doing a little research to check up on your claim. I was conflating the 1940s Dixiecrats with the 1960s Southern Democrats who defected after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 were passed. They left or they changed. Robert Byrd changed, and repudiated his actions before. Strom Thurmond did not, and became a Republican. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1266 "2011-10-27T14:13:10Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > My terms were off, I admit after doing a little research to check up on your claim. I was conflating the 1940s Dixiecrats with the 1960s Southern Democrats who defected after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 were passed. > > They left or they changed. Robert Byrd changed, and repudiated his actions before. Strom Thurmond did not, and became a Republican. Actually most of them just retired, quit politics or went back to local politics. They however remained Democrats as a general rule. The pro-business GOP’ers of Ashcroft, Gingrich, etc replaced them which is where the confusion comes in. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1267 "2011-10-27T14:16:13Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > My terms were off, I admit after doing a little research to check up on your claim. I was conflating the 1940s Dixiecrats with the 1960s Southern Democrats who defected after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 were passed. > > They left or they changed. Robert Byrd changed, and repudiated his actions before. Strom Thurmond did not, and became a Republican. The fact remains, princess, that you simply talk out of your ass. And this persecution fantasy you have of republicans wanting to kill you is just that—fantasy. But far be it from reality to touch your oh-so-troubled mind. ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1268 "2011-10-27T14:22:41Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > My terms were off, I admit after doing a little research to check up on your claim. I was conflating the 1940s Dixiecrats with the 1960s Southern Democrats who defected after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 were passed. > > They left or they changed. Robert Byrd changed, and repudiated his actions before. Strom Thurmond did not, and became a Republican. Oh and as a personal aside, good on you for owning up to a mistake. Impressive and all too rare these days. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1269 "2011-10-27T14:22:42Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Only after Fox broke the story. And Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl back in 1990. We know this to be true not only because Glenn Beck refuses to refute it, but also because he went off the air shortly after the story broke. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1270 "2011-10-27T16:22:25Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Most likely is that you put yourself in a position where the idiots on your side _caused_ the cops to react with force. If you put yourself in that position, the first person you should blame is yourself. The second is the idiots who got aggressive toward the cops. The cops tell you to leave, you leave. It’s really that simple. Either that or sit on the ground with your hands on your head and get arrested—in a real act of civil disobedience. > > I don’t think they’re all stupid. The ones who instigate aggression, the one who provoke the cops, the ones who don’t disperse when they’re told to and then someone gets hurt and they whine—they’re the stupid ones. Them and people like you who attempt to defend such assholeness. Not that I’d expect anything else of you. > > And if you are claiming that I’m bigoted against the stupid, that may be bit strong, but maybe. But only when displays of their stupidity cause larger problems and then don’t take responsibility. > > HA! No, I’m not happy about that. But I am tickled that all of a sudden a vet has angel wings in your book. You’re one comical mofo. Not to mention impressively stupid. But that’s old news. Quit making up scenarios. You make shit up and then think i should respond logically to your fantasies. I am sure there are just oodles of conservatives who are weeping uncontrollably in their suburban homes because they don’t feel comfortable walking in an occupied area that they never walk in anyway. The aggression is instigated by the cops. Nobody seeks an opportunity to be maced and clubbed. I can assure you it is no fun. It is terrifying. People are there because they have political convictions and think the country is going astray. You argue that people with political convictions ,who are peacefully demonstrating, should be hurt because they may be inconvenient to you. Good argument. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1271 "2011-10-27T16:30:33Z")
[QUOTE=gonzomax] The aggression is instigated by the cops. [/QUOTE] For doing their jobs?? In most of the cases where there have been clashes it’s because the cops have told people to leave an area (because they are blocking traffic, or they are trying to use public areas in ways where they don’t have permits to do so) and a certain number have refused. What, exactly, are the cops supposed to do in that situation? Just say ‘oh, well, I guess you don’t have too leave since you don’t want to. Sorry about that…carry on…’?? > [@](#): > > Nobody seeks an opportunity to be maced and clubbed. :dubious: I think you are hopelessly naive if you really believe this. Either that, or you’ve been to a hell of a lot less public protests than I have been…which would be pretty fucking ironic, if so. In every large protest I’ve been too there are a certain number of people who absolutely come to make trouble. They come prepared to make trouble, with stuff that will help them make trouble. They WANT confrontation with the police. Hell, they want to be maced and clubbed (on TV or recorded) because they think that helps make the public aware of how brutal the police are, and how worthy their cause is. If you don’t know this then all I can say is that I question how much you are actually participating in these things or have participated in protests in the past. > [@](#): > > People are there because they have political convictions and think the country is going astray. Not everyone is there for the same reason though, or has the same goals or agenda. Just because YOU think that’s the case doesn’t make it universally true. Granted, I think the majority of people at these protests are there for roughly the reasons you are saying here (though especially in this movement it’s all over the board), but not everyone is in lock step at ANY protest. -XT ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1272 "2011-10-27T16:40:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > …princess… Whatsamatta you? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1273 "2011-10-27T16:41:00Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The fact remains, princess, that you simply talk out of your ass. And this persecution fantasy you have of republicans wanting to kill you is just that—fantasy. But far be it from reality to touch your oh-so-troubled mind. I have to say that I think calling a gay man “princess” is more than a little offensive. While I don’t think JJ is accurate in his assessment of the hostility he thinks Republicans have for him, the fact is that violence again stays is real, as is the bullying. In sure he and his friends have knowledge of both firsthand, and I’m sure that it is the kind of thing that you take seriously and that sticks with you. I think his reaction is disproportionate and aimed poorly, but Ido 't doubt the environmentand circumstances that spawned it. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1274 "2011-10-27T16:43:13Z")
> [@Enderw24](#): > > And Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl back in 1990. We know this to be true not only because Glenn Beck refuses to refute it, but also because he went off the air shortly after the story broke. It wouldn’t surprise me. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1275 "2011-10-27T16:44:15Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > …When their is sexual aggression… And this. Man, what is wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1276 "2011-10-27T16:48:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Whatsamatta you? > [@Scylla](#): > > I have to say that I think calling a gay man “princess” is more than a little offensive. Meh. No more than I expect from **Shodan**. And, to be fair, he may have been reacting to my sarcastic “dear”. Water, duck’s back. Haters gonna hate. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1277 "2011-10-27T16:51:02Z")
Sometimes its hard to tell one from another, isn’t it? **Shoda** n’s the one with the annoying tag line. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1278 "2011-10-27T16:54:46Z")
> **[Rubber bullets condemned by Israeli doctors](https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2320-rubber-bullets-condemned-by-israeli-doctors/)** > > The rounds are not safe for use in controlling crowds – and some of the bullets are much worse than others Just in case our conservatives don’t know it, rubber bullets are dangerous . ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1279 "2011-10-27T17:08:11Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > Quit making up scenarios. You make shit up and then think i should respond logically to your fantasies. I am sure there are just oodles of conservatives who are weeping uncontrollably in their suburban homes because they don’t feel comfortable walking in an occupied area that they never walk in anyway. Oh, really? What am I making up? and how about the people who live in the immediate vicinity? Don’t they have the right to enjoy peace and quiet in their neighborhoods generally? > [@gonzomax](#): > > You argue that people with political convictions ,who are peacefully demonstrating, should be hurt because they may be inconvenient to you. Good argument. They should be “hurt” because they are 1) breaking the law and/or 2) being a nuisance. And it’s perfect that a whiny liberal like you think that the world MUST STOP and address their concerns. You do realize that people have the right to demonstrate in the U.S., right? And that there are guidelines for doing so, right? You do know that protestors are supposed to get permits, right? Or is it okay to just throw the laws out the window when it’s your oh-so-important issue.? How about when it’s some other guy’s oh-so-important issue? Does he get to ignore the laws do whatever the fuck he and his group wants. Please, do tell. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1280 "2011-10-27T17:10:07Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And this. Man, what is wrong with you? You got me they’re! Death by the most evil means their is. Rightly deserved. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=63) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851.md?page=65)