# \#OccupyWallStreet **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 19, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851 "2011-09-19T18:27:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 88
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1741 "2011-11-06T15:42:46Z")
[http://www.acce.org/news/2011/10/acce-news/nothing-could-be-finer-than-a-chamber-trip-to-china/](http://www.acce.org/news/2011/10/acce-news/nothing-could-be-finer-than-a-chamber-trip-to-china/) They are pushing offshoring actively and tax breaks for offshoring. They are part of the problem, not the solution. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1742 "2011-11-06T15:44:37Z")
Here’s a page to the chamber of commerce showing the Oakland partnership which is about revitalizing and bringing jobs to the Downtown: [http://www.oaklandchamber.com/economy/index.asp](http://www.oaklandchamber.com/economy/index.asp) Here’s the partnership page: > **[OaklandPartnership.com is for sale | HugeDomains](https://www.hugedomains.com/domain_profile.cfm?d=oaklandpartnership.com)** > > Join thousands of people who own a premium domain. Affordable financing available. From their 2008 progress report: [OaklandPartnership.com is for sale | HugeDomains](http://www.oaklandpartnership.com/2008%20Quick%20Links/Reports/OP%20Progress%20Report%20October%2030%202008%20FINAL)" "The goaloftheOaklandPartnershipistocreatea thriving,innovative, equitable,globallycompet itive regional economyt hatcreates10,000newjobsinthe five yearsfrom2007to2012. 1. Increase investmentinOaklandinawaythatcontributestotheprosperit yof businesses,theCit y,andallitsresidents; 2. Enhanceand expandOakland’sworkforce developmentprogramsandpolicies toincr easetheability ofOaklandresidentstoaccessemploymentopportunit ies. " So the chamber, yeah, they’re not big on jobs. Of course not. Hippies shitting down the port scaring off businesses, losing jobs, and letting women get raped… we should trust them? What planet do you come from? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1743 "2011-11-06T15:48:24Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The Chamber of Commerce is a right wing political action organization that promotes conservative issues and attacks liberals and Democrats. If the members of the Chamber could figure out how to increase profits by firing evey one of their employees, they would do it in a heartbeat. Employees are a necessary evil to the Chamber of Commerce. How does that jibe with the fact that Oakland’s COC is actively working to bring businesses into the downtown, and has successfully done so? What you are saying doesn’t really jibe with my experience of the COC. Are you a member? Have you ever been? have you ever been to a mixer, or read one of their websites, or bothered to see what they do? Our Chamber President is a total liberal. Do you have any fucking evidence at all to support the idea that the Chamber only looks at jobs as a “necessary evil?” Anything at all? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1744 "2011-11-06T15:52:11Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > …Hippies shitting down the port scaring off businesses, losing jobs, and letting women get raped… we should trust them? > > What planet do you come from? Just when I think you can’t possibly get more blindly, viciously stupid, you say something like this. Did somebody replace your Rogaine prescription with evil pills? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1745 "2011-11-06T15:52:18Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > If the members of the Chamber could figure out how to increase profits by firing evey one of their employees, they would do it in a heartbeat. Every business would do that, and that’s OK. That you wouldn’t do so is one of the reasons you don’t have your own business. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1746 "2011-11-06T15:54:05Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Just when I think you can’t possibly get more blindly, viciously stupid, you say something like this. Did somebody replace your Rogaine prescription with evil pills? What’s wrong with what he said there? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1747 "2011-11-06T15:57:11Z")
> [@Zeriel](#): > > At least around here, the Chamber of Commerce is primarily a pro-business organization, rather than a pro-jobs organization. There’s a notable difference, in terms of policies espoused and sides taken on political questions. No business or business group is really “pro jobs”–that’s a political position. If any business or business group says they are pro jobs it’s just for political purposes. Look, when will you people realize that a business doesn’t exist for the benefit of its employees? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1748 "2011-11-06T16:11:55Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > No business or business group is really “pro jobs”–that’s a political position. If any business or business group says they are pro jobs it’s just for political purposes. > > Look, when will you people realize that a business doesn’t exist for the benefit of its employees? I agree with everything you said here. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1749 "2011-11-06T16:42:11Z")
They sure showed her: [Occupy DC Pushes Grandma Down Stairs - YouTube](http://youtu.be/xgcRlrt2ZL4) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1750 "2011-11-06T16:46:13Z")
That’s kinda longish. Can you specify the point at which it becomes clear that the evil thugs of the OWS pushed her down the stairs? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1751 "2011-11-06T16:50:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > That’s kinda longish. Can you specify the point at which it becomes clear that the evil thugs of the OWS pushed her down the stairs? It happens at 27 seconds. Too bad your attention span is to short to watch such a longish video. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1752 "2011-11-06T16:54:02Z")
It shows no such thing. Too bad you’re a lying sack. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1753 "2011-11-06T16:57:42Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Just when I think you can’t possibly get more blindly, viciously stupid, you say something like this. Did somebody replace your Rogaine prescription with evil pills? Did they shut down the port? Yes they did as I linked. Are they scaring off businesses? Yes they are, as I linked. Did a women get raped? Yes. Several did, as I linked. In one instance at least did the occupyiers not notify the police and simply run the guy off? Yes they did, as I linked? Did rapist then come back and rape somebody else? Yes he did, as I linked. Are those that let him go, responsible for allowing the next women to get raped. I would say so. So what part of what i wrote don’t you like? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1754 "2011-11-06T17:05:18Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > They sure showed her: [http://youtu.be/xgcRlrt2ZL4](http://youtu.be/xgcRlrt2ZL4) You don’t actually see what happened. There’s a woman at the bottom of the stairs, but her fall and what happened doesn’t occur on camera. Later in the video a conservative looking balding guy accuses a young entitled socially conscious hippy of attacking an old lady. The hippy looks bewildered, as if he simply came over to help and was unexpectedly accused. I find it hard to attribute blame to malice based on this film. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1755 "2011-11-06T17:06:46Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Just when I think you can’t possibly get more blindly, viciously stupid, you say something like this. Did somebody replace your Rogaine prescription with evil pills? Perhaps you have a cite showing where something I said was incorrect? Can you provide a cite? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1756 "2011-11-06T17:07:24Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > What’s wrong with what he said there? Its not the “hippie” thingy, my oldest friends and I often use the term with each other with a wry and fond nostalgia. Nor even the suggestion that we are powerful enough to shut down the Port of Oakland, unless the Longshoreman’s Union has contracts that specify hacky-sack breaks on the job site. So those are out. Nor even the suggestion that we are not to be trusted. Considering the source, it is most likely a form of post-modernist irony with a dash of wounded dignity. As far as being from another planet, I’ve often had that feeling myself, but my parents insist otherwise. So, what does that leave? Trying search within yourself, perhaps in that place where your last remaining scrap of human decency was snuffed out. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1757 "2011-11-06T17:08:56Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Its not the “hippie” thingy, my oldest friends and I often use the term with each other with a wry and fond nostalgia. Nor even the suggestion that we are powerful enough to shut down the Port of Oakland, unless the Longshoreman’s Union has contracts that specify hacky-sack breaks on the job site. So those are out. > > Nor even the suggestion that we are not to be trusted. Considering the source, it is most likely a form of post-modernist irony with a dash of wounded dignity. As far as being from another planet, I’ve often had that feeling myself, but my parents insist otherwise. > > So, what does that leave? Trying search within yourself, perhaps in that place where your last remaining scrap of human decency was snuffed out. So, in other words, you don’t have anything to back yourself up? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1758 "2011-11-06T17:14:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > It shows no such thing. Too bad you’re a lying sack. Nope. I just call it as I see it, which is an old woman and her escort trying to make their way through a small protesting crowd to the street. The protesters continue to chant and jostle, and she falls down the stairs in the press. Like I say: “They sure showed her.” Now you not seeing that is your problem, not mine. That you cannot tell the difference between a peaceful protest and being dangerously overly aggressive makes you no better than those who say that the cop was only doing his job when he tossed a flash grenade into the group who were helping an injured protester. A few words of advice, though: stop trying to defend the indefensible, for it only makes it easier for shitstains like hyperbolic Scylla to make his points. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1759 "2011-11-06T17:23:49Z")
Anecdotally, perhaps. I’ve walked with these people, not in Oakland, but here. If we were aware that someone was raping a woman in our midst, that man would be lucky if the police got to him first. Now, that’s the truth as best I know, and you can accept it, or not, or shove it up your **Rand Rover.** By the by, congratulations on your newly found skills at link/cite! If anyone asks, you can say a hippy taught you. You’re welcome. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/occupywallstreet/596851/1760 "2011-11-06T17:36:42Z")
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