# Ocean's 12 or What an ego stroke. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 10, 2004, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222 "2004-12-10T22:48:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/1 "2004-12-10T22:48:23Z")
I sort of enjoyed the \*\*Ocean 11 \*\* remake, mainly because I think Matt Damon is purty 😉 This drivel, \*\*Ocean 12 \*\*, is a train wreck. What were they thinking? How many egos does it take to make a film? It looks as if the cast(star studded) is having a great time, but I sure wasn’t watching it. Belch ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/2 "2004-12-10T22:52:56Z")
I’m really looking forward to seeing it as I thoroughly enjoyed the remake and am a fan of Clooney, Pitt, Damon, and Zeta-Jones. What exactly didn’t you like about it? ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/3 "2004-12-10T22:59:49Z")
> [@Aesiron](#): > > I’m really looking forward to seeing it as I thoroughly enjoyed the remake and am a fan of Clooney, Pitt, Damon, and Zeta-Jones. > > What exactly didn’t you like about it? The Plot 😉 ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/4 "2004-12-10T23:02:36Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > The Plot 😉 There isn’t much of one. Go see it for a lark, it has certain moments, and all the pretty boys. ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2004, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/5 "2004-12-10T23:10:07Z")
Well, most heist movies don’t have very intensive plots and I liked the original mostly for its atmosphere, cinematography, and cast anyway. I know the last is still the same, are the first two as well? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/6 "2004-12-11T00:31:38Z")
Saw it today. It was horrible. ---
**Author:** ![chaoticbear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f07891/32.png) [@chaoticbear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chaoticbear)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/7 "2004-12-11T02:37:45Z")
This movie is out!?! I must go see it tomorrow! ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/8 "2004-12-11T05:41:49Z")
AAAAAHHHHHHH. Ocean’s 11, with the pretty boys, is one of my favorites. Why do I open these threads? ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/9 "2004-12-11T06:34:21Z")
With 66 out of 107 reviews so far, Rotten Tomatoes is barely giving it a “fresh” rating of 62%. This may change as other reviews are compliled. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/10 "2004-12-11T07:34:23Z")
This is the first time I can ever think of where I really felt that Rotten Tomatoes lied to me. This movie was AWFUL. The plot was hilariously full of holes, the pacing was such that the film felt slapped together. There were Deus Ex Machinas out the wazoo. And for some reason, many of the little lines that were obviously supposed to be funny were tossed off so casually that I couldn’t understand them. Just a big disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a183cd/32.png) [@Phelan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phelan)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2004, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/11 "2004-12-11T07:51:11Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > It looks as if the cast(star studded) is having a great time, but I sure wasn’t watching it. Belch It was so bad, it gave you gas? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/12 "2004-12-12T01:17:50Z")
Oh, all right, I’ll be the Sole Dissenter. I liked it. No, it’s not as good as 11, but what is? A few phoned-in performances, a lot of in-jokes, a bit too much Catherine Zeta-Jones, but it was fun to watch and I enjoyed it. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/13 "2004-12-12T01:35:32Z")
> [@LifeOnWry](#): > > a bit too much Catherine Zeta-Jones :eek: No such thing, brutha! 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/14 "2004-12-12T01:44:34Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > :eek: No such thing, brutha! 🆒 Perhaps if I explain that I’m a sistah, my opinion might make more sense? ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/15 "2004-12-12T02:13:06Z")
Lot’s of gorgeous rich people (and a few unknowns) having fun in exotic locales, what’s not to like? That’s what “the movies” was invented for. It’s not trying to be Schinler’s List, so don’t cry when it’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/16 "2004-12-12T04:35:09Z")
I saw it today, it was fun. It wasn’t a Great Movie, but it wasn’t meant to be. It was meant to be a fun movie, and I think it did that just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Kat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b19c9b/32.png) [@Kat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kat)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/17 "2004-12-12T04:40:01Z")
Oh, and Go, Bruce Willis! The Julia Roberts/Bruce Willis thing was great. I guessed right on who the woman who questioned Linus was, too. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ooner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/c67d28/32.png) [@Ooner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ooner)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2004, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/18 "2004-12-12T06:26:43Z")
Booooooooo! that is all. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2004, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/19 "2004-12-13T16:29:49Z")
I thought it was a lot of fun. Certainly the plot this time 'round was just a scaffolding for the cast to have fun and make jokes, but I knew that going in, and it didn’t stop me from laughing most of the way thru. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Enright3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/enright3/32/2897_2.png) [@Enright3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enright3)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2004, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222/20 "2004-12-16T15:41:31Z")
I guessed right about Linus’ mom, but early on I thought for sure that CZJ was not only a detective, but was also The Night Fox. They seemed to drop hints towards that, like when she told Rusty Ryan that he needed to find out who he pissed off, and apologize. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oceans-12-or-what-an-ego-stroke/279222.md?page=2)