# Octomom update: She's Still a Piece of Crap **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 1, 2011, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525 "2011-07-01T16:52:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/61 "2011-07-02T12:35:58Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Let us not forget Bryan Adams." > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > And what about Brian Adams? Christ, there’s TWO of them now? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/62 "2011-07-02T12:44:34Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Christ, there’s TWO of them now? Shit! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/63 "2011-07-02T17:12:52Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Because, unfortunately, it is her right to have as many babies as she wants. True, but it WAS extremely irresponsible of the doctor to give them to her. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/64 "2011-07-02T18:29:32Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > True, but it WAS extremely irresponsible of the doctor to give them to her. I’m not sure he is allowed legally to refuse her? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/65 "2011-07-02T18:31:25Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I’m not sure he is allowed legally to refuse her? If that was the case, he wouldn’t have lost his license. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/66 "2011-07-02T18:42:44Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > If that was the case, he wouldn’t have lost his license. Hmm - I wasn’t paying attention when that was going on - what did they charge him with? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/67 "2011-07-02T18:50:21Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Hmm - I wasn’t paying attention when that was going on - what did they charge him with? [From here.](http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/06/a-matter-octomom-doctor-michael-kamrava.html) > [@](#): > > The medical license of the Beverly Hills fertility doctor who assisted Nadya Suleman in conceiving octuplets will be revoked next month, the Medical Board of California announced Wednesday. > \*\* > The panel ruled that Dr. Michael Kamrava “did not exercise sound judgment" in the transfer of 12 embryos to Suleman.\*\* Kamrava was accused by the attorney general’s office of being grossly negligent in his treatment of Suleman and two other female patients: a 48-year-old who suffered complications after she became pregnant with quadruplets and a 42-year-old diagnosed with advanced ovarian cancer after receiving fertility treatments. According to the article, the revocation just took effect. I thought it had already happened. I do know I read it was in progress. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/68 "2011-07-02T19:16:01Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Hmm - I wasn’t paying attention when that was going on - what did they charge him with? A doctor is ethically required to do no preventable harm, nor to act against the best interests of his patients. I can’t fathom a situation where transplanting six embryos into a woman’s uterus all at once is in anyone’s best interests, precisely because of the scenario that happened. Implanting two or three yes, as it’s common enough for one or more of the embryos not to “take”, and twins and triplets, although having elevated risks, are considered quite managable with modern medicine. Six? No way. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/69 "2011-07-02T19:20:33Z")
It was the fact that he implanted 12 embryos at once. The doctor is not allowed ethically to filter patients by incoem or marital status. He also failed to screen another patient for ovarian cancer before giving her drugs which hasten the development of the disease. But seriously, the article is nothing compared to a link in the sidebar - this NSFW article about her doing a diaper fetish video. I guess I can see that she must be utterly deesperate for money. But Holy Moses! Who even gets an offer like that?!? Link NSFW [http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/octomom-regrets-whipping-nappy-clad-man-for-joke-fetish-video-report/story-e6frf96o-1225992372566](http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/octomom-regrets-whipping-nappy-clad-man-for-joke-fetish-video-report/story-e6frf96o-1225992372566) ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/70 "2011-07-02T20:22:14Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [From here.](http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/06/a-matter-octomom-doctor-michael-kamrava.html) > > According to the article, the revocation just took effect. I thought it had already happened. I do know I read it was in progress. I wonder if they would have gone after the doctor if those other patients hadn’t had trouble and/or if Octomom hadn’t ended up on assistance. > [@Broomstick](#): > > A doctor is ethically required to do no preventable harm, nor to act against the best interests of his patients. I can’t fathom a situation where transplanting six embryos into a woman’s uterus all at once is in anyone’s best interests, precisely because of the scenario that happened. Implanting two or three yes, as it’s common enough for one or more of the embryos not to “take”, and twins and triplets, although having elevated risks, are considered quite managable with modern medicine. Six? No way. Oh, I thought that the “not take” percentage was much higher. > [@TruCelt](#): > > It was the fact that he implanted 12 embryos at once. The doctor is not allowed ethically to filter patients by incoem or marital status. He also failed to screen another patient for ovarian cancer before giving her drugs which hasten the development of the disease. Wait, 6 or 12 embryos? (I really was not following this story at all, other than any headlines I couldn’t avoid. The fact she was having a litter was bad enough, but then when our state ended up having to pay for it…) ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/71 "2011-07-02T20:44:35Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Oh, I thought that the “not take” percentage was much higher. It varies considerably from woman to woman, of course - some women manifest infertility as a high rate of miscarriage, whereas in others it’s a low rate of conception or some other factor. Octomom was relatively young, and already had a history of pregnancies by which to judge her likely reactions. Implanting more than 2 (3 at the most) in such a woman, from what I understand, would be seen as unethical and needlessly risky by today’s standard practices. ---
**Author:** ![TruCelt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/trucelt/32/523_2.png) [@TruCelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TruCelt)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2011, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/72 "2011-07-02T21:30:23Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I wonder if they would have gone after the doctor if those other patients hadn’t had trouble and/or if Octomom hadn’t ended up on assistance. > > Oh, I thought that the “not take” percentage was much higher. > > **Wait, 6 or 12 embryos?** > > (I really was not following this story at all, other than any headlines I couldn’t avoid. The fact she was having a litter was bad enough, but then when our state ended up having to pay for it…) She’s OCto-Mom because she had Octuplets. She already had six children. The Dr. implanted 12 embryos and 8 “took.” ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Eyed\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b2d939/32.png) [@Blue\_Eyed\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Eyed_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/73 "2011-07-03T00:50:01Z")
[‘Octomom’ Nadya Suleman facing forclosure again](http://celebs.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979536840) IMHO this woman is about as useless as a person can be. I doubt she will ever try to work and support her family. I feel very sorry for these children. I agree with those that have said it would be best for them if they were adopted out. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/74 "2011-07-03T01:12:34Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The sad thing is that even if they’re adopted out, I don’t think you could split up the older set (six?) at this age. Where are you going to find someone willing to take on six kids at once? Michelle Bachmann? I mean, I’m sorry for the kids, but better those six take the hit than the other three hundred million of us… ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/75 "2011-07-03T01:16:46Z")
Sorry, the entire genetic line must be extinguished. She and they can be sold as parts. There’s a market for that somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![humanafterall](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/humanafterall/32/19654_2.png) [@humanafterall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/humanafterall)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/76 "2011-07-03T02:43:21Z")
My dad has a friend who suffered sudden kidney failure. I’m sure Octomom or one of her spawns’ kidneys is a match. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/77 "2011-07-03T03:15:11Z")
nm ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/78 "2011-07-03T03:55:48Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > She’s OCto-Mom because she had Octuplets. She already had six children. The Dr. implanted 12 embryos and 8 “took.” AIUI, twelve were implanted, of which six took. Then two of those six split into two separate embryos, boosting the total to eight. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/79 "2011-07-03T03:56:44Z")
> [@humanafterall](#): > > My dad has a friend who suffered sudden kidney failure. I’m sure Octomom or one of her spawns’ kidneys is a match. I’m sorry about your dad’s friend, but that’s just fucking sick. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2011, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525/80 "2011-07-03T04:59:41Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > AIUI, twelve were implanted, of which six took. Then two of those six split into two separate embryos, boosting the total to eight. Ewwwwww. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octomom-update-shes-still-a-piece-of-crap/587525.md?page=5)