# Octopus has a point **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2021, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062 "2021-03-31T02:30:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/21 "2021-04-01T04:50:54Z")
Just citing some science. Even though it’s taboo. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/22 "2021-04-01T04:54:40Z")
You said “concepts children understand”. These tend to be intuitive. Much of reality is counterintuitive, so those concepts tend to be minimally useful at best. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/23 "2021-04-01T06:00:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And yet democrats are dumber. [Verbal intelligence is correlated with socially and economically liberal beliefs - ScienceDirect](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289614000373) . . . in the UK. ← important detail. . . . from 2014 ← slightly less but still important detail . . . [published in a British science digest](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ScienceDirect) > [@](#): > > ``` > Nuffield College, New Road, Oxford, OX11NF, United Kingdom > > ``` > > Received 1 December 2013, Revised 14 March 2014, Accepted 15 March 2014, Available online 4 May 2014. If that study could be replicated in the US, it would be much more interesting. European politics is much different than US politics and political party affiliations. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/24 "2021-04-01T06:02:17Z")
Note that the study was done nearly 7 years ago. I wonder how that study would fare post-Trump, with the dominance of Qanon, the prevalence of insane conspiracy theories like crisis actors and election fraud, and other batshit things rotting away at the right. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/25 "2021-04-01T06:14:42Z")
So, besides showing his pointy headiness, his latest reply also showed once again what a shithead octopus is. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/26 "2021-04-01T06:15:48Z")
> [@I pit DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/398): > > Someone more enterprising than I could make a similarly titled pit thread for each poster and play that game all over. Going back to the OP, that suggestion was made in this Pit thread as a way to show thanks, ironically. People could post a thread for every person to show their thanks and their dislikes. > [@Like (a test)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-a-test/937958/17): > > Yeah, but mostly because I realize it would be far more work than it’s worth as well as being easily abused. > You’d have to go create one or both those threads. Each time you wanted to like/dislike a post, you’d have to go find the thread and post a link to it. All those like/dislike threads would have to be housed in their own forum so as not to clutter up something else. That would require a mod for general housekeeping. > Plus, I could post a thread to “[some other poster] dislikes this” and on the assumption that people won’t actually click on the link, they’d have no reason not to believe that person didn’t post the dislike. That also would then require a mod to delete the post and note/warn the poster (which means we’d have to have a rule about it) and so on and so forth. > > 100% doable, just a lot of work for what could be done by just having likes/dislikes turned on, if we wanted to go that route. from here > [@Like (a test)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/like-a-test/937958/17): > > What I meant was if two people place a link to the same post in the same thread, will that post reflect it? The answer, as it turns out, is no. For example, both the OP and I linked to the same post at the top of this thread. As far as I can tell (or at least with the skin I’m using), it shows up as a single ‘this post was linked in another thread’ note with no mention that it was done multiple times. Furthermore, the only way to see who did it is to click on the link and scroll through to who … Not actually a novel suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 6:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/27 "2021-04-01T06:51:31Z")
The study is comparing Dems to Republicans. Those are American parties. Just saying. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/28 "2021-04-01T06:55:14Z")
On the right we got conspiracy nuts. On the left we have folks who think stealing sneakers and then torching the foot locker is social justice. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/29 "2021-04-01T07:00:24Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The study is comparing Dems to Republicans. Those are American parties. Just saying. The parties have the same names but not necessarily the same ideals. I don’t know much about European politics but I remember a guy from Sweden being really insulted when I assumed he was a Democrat. According to him, Democrats are very different people in Sweden than in the US. They don’t have the same ideals. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/30 "2021-04-01T13:48:11Z")
Which side wanted to _[lynch the vice president](https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-capitol-rioters-chanted-hang-mike-pence-video-footage/)?_ ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/31 "2021-04-01T14:30:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > On the right we got conspiracy nuts. On the left we have folks who think stealing sneakers and then torching the foot locker is social justice. So you’re dismissing the fringe on the right as nuts, but you think the fringe on the left is mainstream? Not a whole lot of leftists consider burning down a private business to be social justice. Most leftists, even if they’ll throw their support to a protest are generally against rioting. You do understand the difference between protesting and rioting, right? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/32 "2021-04-01T14:59:05Z")
In fairness and at different times, probably both. Though the left wouldn’t use the term lynch. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/33 "2021-04-01T15:51:17Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Which is no surprise since concepts children understand are beyond a large percentage of voting age leftists. Can you give me an example? Like, maybe, do children understand that [maybe you shouldn’t post links to research done by pseudoscientific racists](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah_Carl)? I dunno if kids understand that, I haven’t asked a kid lately. Do you understand that? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/34 "2021-04-01T16:03:25Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > On the right we got conspiracy nuts. On the left we have folks who think stealing sneakers and then torching the foot locker is social justice. As others pointed out, and many times in the past too but the Mollusk never learns, there is a big difference between understanding why there are riots and the support of them. Left leaning leaders do not approve of them and even less the centrists like Biden. As for the claim by comparison that the right is not violent or destructive: > **[Right-wing extremism is on the rise, but ideological killings dropped...](https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-killed-16-people-last-year-2021-2)** > > Right-wing extremists committed at least 16 of the 17 ideological killings last year, the Anti-Defamation League found. > **[2 Capitol Police officers sue Trump for physical and emotional injuries from...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capitol-police-officers-sue-trump-physical-emotional-injuries/story?id=76784999)** > > Two Capitol Police officers filed a civil suit Tuesday against former President Trump for physical and emotional injuries they say they suffered in the Jan. 6 riot. So, the right wing nuts do resort to violence, and that has been already the case for years. > **[Oklahoma City Bombing | Federal Bureau of Investigation](https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/oklahoma-city-bombing)** > > The bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995 was the deadliest act of homegrown terrorism in U.S. history, resulting in the deaths of 168 people. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/35 "2021-04-01T16:43:42Z")
> [@Why are Christian Bookstores Allowed to Ban Books?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/why-are-christian-bookstores-allowed-to-ban-books/937271/101): > > Yes, we now live in a world where a Dr. Seuss book is contraband. This from another thread. It’s a lie. A blatant, obvious piece of complete bullshit, but friend Octopus decides to spew it forth anyway. Does he actually believe what he wrote? No. He knows he’s lying. Basically just trolling to get a reaction. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/36 "2021-04-01T16:52:22Z")
Maybe you’re supposed to take him [seriously, not literally](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-makes-his-case-in-pittsburgh/501335/). You know, see the greater truths that, uh, (reaches into basket filled with slips of paper) that the woke mob wants to lock Dr. Seuss into a gulag while, uh, Che Guevara something something hive mind. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/37 "2021-04-01T16:56:45Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Maybe you’re supposed to take him [seriously, not literally](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/trump-makes-his-case-in-pittsburgh/501335/). Or consider him to be purely for entertainment because no reasonable person would consider what he says to be based in reality. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/38 "2021-04-01T17:01:38Z")
+1 to this. Much newer reference! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/39 "2021-04-01T17:08:49Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Can you give me an example? Like, maybe, do children understand that [maybe you shouldn’t post links to research done by pseudoscientific racists](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah_Carl)? I dunno if kids understand that, I haven’t asked a kid lately. Do you understand that? No. Because either the study is valid or it isn’t based upon evidence and reason. Who or what wrote it has no relevance. Yes, even children should understand that and of course the loony left doesn’t. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > As others pointed out, and many times in the past too but the Mollusk never learns, there is a big difference between understanding why there are riots and the support of them. Left leaning leaders do not approve of them and even less the centrists like Biden. Please. The lack of prosecutions and the explicit support for confrontation and violence contradicts your dishonest assertion. Hell, law enforcement and walls can work when allowed to work. Look at DC as an example. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/40 "2021-04-01T17:14:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Please. The lack of prosecutions and the explicit support for confrontation and violence contradicts your dishonest assertion. Well, not my problem that you certify in public that you are a big liar. Even in a recent thread I cited why what you claim here is a rotten big lie. And your retort about Dr Seuss is another certification about either your idiocy or endless deceptions. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062.md?page=3)