# Octopus has a point **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 31, 2021, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062 "2021-03-31T02:30:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/121 "2021-04-08T20:18:07Z")
I don’t think I will. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/122 "2021-04-08T20:19:31Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > {…} mini Dresdens {…} Dude? You’re overplaying your hand! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/123 "2021-04-08T20:20:09Z")
No, because you get your jollies from tolling. That’s perfectly obvious to all. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/124 "2021-04-08T20:23:03Z")
C’mon now. Don’t be a dishonest little baby. Did I start this Pit thread? No. It’s funny, this reminds me a lot of good ol’ Huey Freeman. He got banned for responding to being pitted. Isn’t that funny? He was the so-called troll even though he was the target of professional pit trolls. They made up a rule to ban Huey. That’s too funny. My point is, you folks are so dishonest and so removed from reality you can’t even discern cause and effect. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/125 "2021-04-08T20:32:52Z")
Fuck off troll. Trolls don’t necessarily have to build the bridge they hide under. Trolls cruise around looking for opportunities to troll. You don’t have a point. You post bullshit, and whine “hive mind” when called on it. You’re an asshole here, and likely one in real life as well. Own it. You’re an asshole troll. Be proud of it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/126 "2021-04-08T20:36:19Z")
BTW this is what part of Dresden looked like, [![](https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/177E1/production/_110852269_gettyimages-90759455.jpg) ](https://c.files.bbci.co.uk/177E1/production/_110852269_gettyimages-90759455.jpg) Where’s your pics octopus? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/127 "2021-04-08T20:42:47Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Where’s your pics octopus? Allow me: > [@Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/224): > > No source or cite satisfy the folks here who ask for them. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/128 "2021-04-08T20:46:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > This forum has become an echo chamber. It is interesting to hear the repeated lies from an octopus, but the wonder is limited on how it is that it manages to do so. The point stands, it remains a stupid lie to still repeat what stupid right wing sources are telling you, The truth is that Democrats and progressives condemned the violence, and authorities in blue states also prosecuted the violent rioters. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/129 "2021-04-08T21:12:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Left wing radicals, which these folks mirror, have been responsible for an order of magnitude more death than Hitler and crew. Is this the part where you compare us to Hitler, Stalin, and Mao? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/130 "2021-04-08T21:18:29Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Bone, right before he quit being a mod and quit the board altogether had a very appropriate rant directed at an especially vocal subset of the Pit regulars. Do you (or anyone) have a link to this? I’m curious what he said, and to whom. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/131 "2021-04-08T21:18:31Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Want to see some montages of the mostly peaceful mini Dresdens? Or mostly peaceful unplanned shoe donations? Or encouragement, during a goddamn pandemic, of mass civil unrest? Yes - I want to see some images that resemble in any way Dresden after WWII. Calling the public murder of George Floyd “encouragement” of civil unrest is a bit much, even for you. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/132 "2021-04-08T21:27:48Z")
His trolling has gone off the deep end. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/133 "2021-04-08T21:28:24Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I’m curious what he said, and to whom. [Found it.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-are-we-to-do-with-these-insects-we-refer-to-as-republicans/841076/60) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/134 "2021-04-08T21:31:43Z")
That’s funny. But not the right link. @ ol’ Euphonious. You ought to take your meds. ---
**Author:** ![glowacks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/glowacks/32/5548_2.png) [@glowacks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glowacks)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/135 "2021-04-08T21:50:56Z")
Everyone in this thread: Why do you even bother? What do you feel you are accomplishing posting in this thread? I’ve seen the exact same argument in several threads. It goes nowhere. No minds are changed. I have to only assume that all of you are trolls on behalf of your own causes, because I literally see no other reason for continuing to argue with each other. Me? I’m posting to get people away from pointlessly arguing with each other and perhaps do something productive. Some things will go away if you ignore them. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/136 "2021-04-08T22:51:19Z")
I gotta check this shit at work or something. Late, here, but better than never… I could parse every single fucked-up, ma-meet-pa-kettle sentence in this turd, but I don’t have the time nor patience. > [@octopus](#): > > This forum has become an echo chamber. In part due to the presence of the Pit and in part due to inconsistency in interpretation of plain English. Social pressure and online bullying tactics in order to enforce ideological conformity is a tool used far too often in a society that nominally was founded on the ideals of liberty. > > In the pit especially, most of the regulars who initiate the pittings for purpose of generating snark or just because they are emotionally damaged psychopaths aren’t posting in good faith. There is nothing good faith about calling folks child molesters, Nazis, bigots, trolls, produce molesters, etc. The reason those tactics are employed are to drive folks off or to coerce them into agreement. Bone, right before he quit being a mod and quit the board altogether had a very appropriate rant directed at an especially vocal subset of the Pit regulars. > > You know the infrequent conservative voice who advocates for due process, who advocates against extrajudicial punishments, who advocates for basic fundamental liberties is not the problem. The problem is the disingenuous ideological zealots who not only demand ideological conformity but also demand congruous ideological fervor. There is a reason I label these folks Robesspiere-esque and Humpty Dumpty esque. They are a profane hybrid of ideological purists while being completely disingenuous with what words actually mean. Left wing radicals, which these folks mirror, have been responsible for an order of magnitude more death than Hitler and crew. Yet, because the left has always used noble sounding goals as the Trojan Horse the illiberal methods and dangers is always underestimated. However, as we see, the power is immense. It can deplatform the sitting president of the US. Smaller players are silenced out of fear of doxxing which leads to real violence. If you, in general sense, are content or happy with the way social media, forums, etc. are used by a radical fringe to enact illiberal policy under the fig leaf of social justice or economic justice you have to either be naive or malignant. However, here: > [@octopus](#): > > Oh, please of course you are correct. Billions of dollars of damage, burned courthouses and police precincts, molotov cocktails hurled at law enforcement officers, peoples civil rights violated by unhinged mobs don’t compare to a unruly mob acting for a few hours that are actually investigated, critiqued, and prosecuted. One the Democrats like the other Democrats and Republicans don’t. Again - _I know you know,_ Octopus, (yes, indeed - a mind-reader, asshole) that you have no way, whatsoever, of being able to prove that the majority of the violence was caused by those on “the left”. You cannot provide a cite, (and no - not from Fox/Infowars, etc.), therefore, you are full of shit. And that you’re _still_ trying to conflate Jan. 6 with all your Trumped-up BULL-SHIT, **Octopus** , about the summer’s protests makes you the shittiest, most reprehensible poster on these boards. > [@octopus](#): > > And you really think that all that antifa and burn and loot crowd were right wing provocateurs? And you really think the peaceful protesters were shat on by RIGHT-WING PROVACATEURS and cops? There, FTFY. > [@octopus](#): > > To supplement the rubles. pfft, running out of ammo, now, Sparky. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/137 "2021-04-08T22:52:51Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > Everyone in this thread: > > Why do you even bother? What do you feel you are accomplishing posting in this thread? I’ve seen the exact same argument in several threads. It goes nowhere. No minds are changed. I have to only assume that all of you are trolls on behalf of your own causes, because I literally see no other reason for continuing to argue with each other. > > Me? I’m posting to get people away from pointlessly arguing with each other and perhaps do something productive. > > Some things will go away if you ignore them. Yeah a little sad that minds won’t get changed, but that doens’t mean dumb shit should go unaddressed, especially in the pit. And no, some things do not go away if you ignore them. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/138 "2021-04-08T23:23:53Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > Why do you even bother? What do you feel you are accomplishing posting in this thread? Why do I bother? Eternal hope. I try to make it a policy not to throw out the whole person. And I don’t have to see a change to advance my own understanding. I actually do think I’m making progress, though, so there’s some intermittent reinforcement for next time! ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/139 "2021-04-09T02:32:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > This forum has become an echo chamber. Well, when you have a few posters who are constantly reiterating the same disproven falsehoods, and a larger number of posters constantly calling out the falsity of their statements, then yeah, it starts to sound a little repetitive. > [@octopus](#): > > In the pit especially, most of the regulars who initiate the pittings […] aren’t posting in good faith. Dude, when you keep lying about BLM protestors not being arrested and prosecuted, even when the falsity of your claims was clearly pointed out with ample documentation, you have no room at all to accuse anybody else of “not posting in good faith”. > [@octopus](#): > > There is nothing good faith about calling folks child molesters, Nazis, bigots, trolls, produce molesters, etc. […] > > The problem is the disingenuous ideological zealots […] mini Dresdens […] you folks are so dishonest and so removed from reality […] You ought to take your meds […] Again, octopus, you don’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about other people engaging in the behavior that you keep perpetrating yourself. If you don’t think that insulting name-calling is productive, then quit doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062/140 "2021-04-09T02:58:24Z")
> [@glowacks](#): > > Some things will go away if you ignore them. > [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > And no, some things do not go away if you ignore them. Apologies - my repsonse shoudn’t have been qualified with “And no”. Should’ve replaced those words with “Yeah but goddamn though” and “not” in caps. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-has-a-point/939062.md?page=8)