# Octopus here's your own thread to shit all over **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550 "2018-06-06T15:40:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/242 "2018-06-08T23:33:57Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > On the subject of people who have problems with the english language, by typing “other” there you just called _me_ a lurker. _Me.__ **Me.** _ > > It’s among the funniest things you’ve said or done, possibly in your entire life. > > (You also called me a fossil, which to people who know the language implies that you think I’m old, presumably relative to yourself. That makes me seriously wonder how old you are - _are_ you in elementary school? When I note that you insult like a third grader, is that the actual reason?) > > As for the rules, welcome to the internet! It’s warm here! (Due to all the flaming, obviously.) On the internet nobody ever openly admits they’re wrong, especially fools who are _usually_ wrong. But they don’t have to, because humanity has noticed some trends. Specifically, when a person stops rebutting and _starts_ squirming like a little weasel, as you have done? That’s internet speak for “I know I’m wrong and I’m loath to admit it.” You could type those very words with bold, italics, allcaps, and a non-functional blink tag and not broadcast them louder. > > I’ve been known to say that nobody can really win an argument on the internet except trolls (who win by their own twisted rules), but damn, man, by any objective measure you’ve _lost_. :rolleyes: If you are factually correct the mods will solve the problem that you have reported and without any need for your continuous attempts at baiting a response. You can keep rewording your assertions as many times as you wish. Hiss. If you spent more time working on yourself and being a better begbert2, instead of trolling poor old octopus, you’d have a far more fulfilling life. See the differences between us, I want you to have a better life. You attempt to harm mine. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/243 "2018-06-08T23:34:03Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s not how it works. That not how any of this works. _You_ and whatever other fossils come slithering out of lurkerdom don’t get to define the rules. You all can knowingly flout them since Ed turns a blind eye to the Pit. But you don’t define the rules. I’m not your monkey and I’ll respond as I wish. Hey monkey? PLEASE, report all of this “flouting”, Miller needs to practice his giving out warnings and banning skilz. Fill his inbox with your complaints, hell you might even get to co-mod the Pit with him. CMC fnord! With apologies to Mil … nope, not gonna do _that_ again! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/244 "2018-06-08T23:37:16Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Hey monkey? > PLEASE, report all of this “flouting”, Miller needs to practice his giving out warnings and banning skilz. Fill his inbox with your complaints, hell you might even get to co-mod the Pit with him. > > CMC fnord! > With apologies to Mil … nope, not gonna do _that_ again! :smack: Co-mod? Don’t be blasphemous. Miller is a saint and from the times I’ve communicated with him exceedingly reasonable and rational. That would be tough to equal. And why report a lady who has 20 posts in 5 years? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/245 "2018-06-08T23:38:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > No I don’t. I disagree that it’s spam. For that please refer above to Beckdawrek or Drunky. But it’s the Pit and it’s not a forum designed for debate. As long as the Pit exists I’ll respond to people who attack me as I wish. > > Now, if people are civil to me, as you are, I’m civil to them regardless if I disagree with you or not. But if you lie about me, encourage others at other forums to pile on me, call me names, insult my family, then I don’t owe you any particular response. I don’t owe you civility at that point. > > Let’s say I civilly ask one of my attackers in this thread a question, such as Giraffe or Drunky or Sunny a question. Do you think each of them would afford me the same courtesy? To your credit and to a few others you have. Which I am happy to see. > > Sorry about the gym recommendation. No, you did not just call me a bad name! You brought up the much celebrated Razorback. You spammed me. I just brought home the bacon. Don’t even try the pig stamp, you ain’t got the credentials. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/246 "2018-06-08T23:42:03Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > No, you did not just call me a bad name! You brought up the much celebrated Razorback. You spammed me. I just brought home the bacon. Don’t even try the pig stamp, you ant got the credentials. I wasn’t talking bad about a fellow SECer! I’m friendly to all the Roll Tide, War Eagle, Go Gators!, etc. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/247 "2018-06-08T23:44:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > :rolleyes: If you are factually correct the mods will solve the problem that you have reported and without any need for your continuous attempts at baiting a response. You can keep rewording your assertions as many times as you wish. Hiss. If I recall from your post a few posts ago, “Hiss” is your code for “I’m gonna pretend I can’t understand your arguments because I know I can’t refute them because you’re right la la la can’t hear you can’t admit I’m wrong but I am la la la”. It’s not surprising you’re sticking to that approach, because for all you claim to be here to debate, you’re not, and even if you were you can’t debate your way out of _this_ - it’s your own words that trap you. > [@octopus](#): > > If you spent more time working on yourself and being a better begbert2, instead of trolling poor old octopus, you’d have a far more fulfilling life. See the differences between us, I want you to have a better life. You attempt to harm mine. ☹ ‘I know you are but what am I?’ This is your pit thread, and I am _graciously_ extending you the offer to defend yourself. Because you like debate so much and all. But as for me having a better fulfulling life? I will! In fifteen minutes. That’s when my workday ends, and I will disappear. Poof! Of to a life you can only dream of. I’ll be back on monday though - if you’re lucky this thread will have dropped off the page by then. If you’re _smart_ or _honest_ you’ll present a coherent and reasonable defense of yourself before then, but honestly nobody here expects _that_ to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Teddie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@Teddie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teddie)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/248 "2018-06-08T23:47:16Z")
Go ahead and report me! I couldn’t give a fucking shit. This board is dominated by misogynistic arseholes and getting a mod note, warning would mean nothing. I came here 5 years ago and it’s only gone downhill. Octopus is only one of the main player pricks here, there’s aceplace, skald, shagnasty along with many others. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/249 "2018-06-08T23:50:57Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > If I recall from your post a few posts ago, “Hiss” is your code for “I’m gonna pretend I can’t understand your arguments because I know I can’t refute them because you’re right la la la can’t hear you can’t admit I’m wrong but I am la la la”. > > It’s not surprising you’re sticking to that approach, because for all you claim to be here to debate, you’re not, and even if you were you can’t debate your way out of _this_ - it’s your own words that trap you. > > ‘I know you are but what am I?’ This is your pit thread, and I am _graciously_ extending you the offer to defend yourself. Because you like debate so much and all. But as for me having a better fulfulling life? I will! In fifteen minutes. That’s when my workday ends, and I will disappear. Poof! Of to a life you can only dream of. > > I’ll be back on monday though - if you’re lucky this thread will have dropped off the page by then. If you’re _smart_ or _honest_ you’ll present a coherent and reasonable defense of yourself before then, but honestly nobody here expects _that_ to happen. You must not have read it the first time. If you are correct then the administrator will take care of me. If not, you are purposely and, coincidentally, with another group bullying and trolling me. I’m not your monkey and I owe you far less than I have already given. I’m giving myself a “you’re being redundant” stamp. I hope I already don’t have one but it’s a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/250 "2018-06-08T23:55:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Co-mod? Don’t be blasphemous. Miller is a saint and from the times I’ve communicated with him exceedingly reasonable and rational. That would be tough to equal. > > And why report a lady who has 20 posts in 5 years? :dubious: So, your whingeing about the rules being broken will stop when exactly? CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/251 "2018-06-08T23:55:46Z")
> [@Teddie](#): > > Go ahead and report me! I couldn’t give a fucking shit. > > This board is dominated by misogynistic arseholes and getting a mod note, warning would mean nothing. I came here 5 years ago and it’s only gone downhill. Octopus is only one of the main player pricks here, there’s aceplace, skald, shagnasty along with many others. That’s just not true. I’m a defender of women’s rights and human rights in general. I also advocate for cetacean and primate rights as well but that’s off topic. But I also advocate for fairness and transparency. I argue against mob justice instigated by vulgar cranks. Process matters. The loudest, most violent, most vulgar, most manipulative don’t deserve to dictate terms to everyone else that they single out and attempt to bully via gaslighting, personal attacks, and encouraging others to socially ostracize. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/252 "2018-06-08T23:56:35Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You must not have read it the first time. If you are correct then the administrator will take care of me. If not, you are purposely and, coincidentally, with another group bullying and trolling me. I’m not your monkey and I owe you far less than I have already given. > > I’m giving myself a “you’re being redundant” stamp. I hope I already don’t have one but it’s a possibility. Ah, the old “I already posted my argument, trust me, this sort of lie works in real life so of COURSE it’ll work on the internet despite the fact that everyone can scroll up and see exactly what I did and most emphatically _didn’t_ say” argument. It’s a good old chestnut for people who couldn’t argue honestly if they had a soul and sold it to get the ability. Debate, son! Bring it! Defend yourself! Or, you know, whine a lot. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/253 "2018-06-08T23:58:21Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Ah, the old “I already posted my argument, trust me, this sort of lie works in real life so of COURSE it’ll work on the internet despite the fact that everyone can scroll up and see exactly what I did and most emphatically _didn’t_ say” argument. It’s a good old chestnut for people who couldn’t argue honestly if they had a soul and sold it to get the ability. > > Debate, son! Bring it! Defend yourself! > > Or, you, know, whine a lot. Nice deflection. You know you have nothing. Enjoy your weekend. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/254 "2018-06-09T00:01:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Nice deflection. You know you have nothing. Enjoy your weekend. God, you’re hilarious. On the upside both you, I, _and_ everyone reading knows who has what. And you know it. Bye all! Party on! **octopus** feel free to present some kind of defense for your shitty posting behavior in my absence! Peace out! ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/255 "2018-06-09T00:05:02Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I must lack the necessary sense to discern this. The Hubble telescope lacks the magnification power to discern this. > [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Umm, that’s never been how it works. > > Let me 'splain; > When we ask if we can keep the troll, even promising to feed and walk it, then Miller takes the troll out back behind the Barn [DEL][COLOR=“Black”]House[/DEL][/COLOR] and _does things_ to it. :eek: > > When we beg for a troll to be removed it gets to stay . . . until we’ve given it or it’s collected enough rope to hang itself with of course. > > Please Miller can we keep this one??? PLEASE!!! > > CMC fnord! You like to live dangerously… ---
**Author:** ![Teddie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ab992/32.png) [@Teddie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teddie)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/256 "2018-06-09T00:06:37Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s just not true. I’m a defender of women’s rights and human rights in general. I also advocate for cetacean and primate rights as well but that’s off topic. But I also advocate for fairness and transparency. I argue against mob justice instigated by vulgar cranks. Process matters. The loudest, most violent, most vulgar, most manipulative don’t deserve to dictate terms to everyone else that they single out and attempt to bully via gaslighting, personal attacks, and encouraging others to socially ostracize. If the women on this board are saying they feel uncomfortable by certain content posted here surely this should raise concerns. Some board members need to think about what they’re posting and how it might leave other board members feeling. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/257 "2018-06-09T00:18:41Z")
> [@Teddie](#): > > If the women on this board are saying they feel uncomfortable by certain content posted here surely this should raise concerns. Some board members need to think about what they’re posting and how it might leave other board members feeling. I agree. I exceedingly rarely participate in threads that deal with sexual topics. I very rarely participate in silly threads like lady x vs lady y. I never start threads that are misogynistic. I don’t make women feel uncomfortable by asking them in a public forum any potentially offensive questions. In private conversation, if I have an established relationship with a person I’ll discuss any matter they are comfortable with. What I won’t do, is reflexively agree with any member of any group because it’s the socially popular or expected thing. I treat the ideas they propose based on the merits of the idea. I proposed solutions but when the solutions were judged to be less than 100% congruent with what was expected the personal attacks came. I already have a history with a few of those fools due to the _exact_ same dynamic but on other contentious issues. So their nasty response to me was not just straight up dishonest and calculated to paint me as a villain it’s part of a pattern. Yeah, I want women to feel comfortable. And I went gay and trans people to feel comfortable. And people of different ethnicities as well. But I don’t want a mob of loud, reality shaping, snark mining, malcontents dictating to me or others how we should express support. I also want the more peaceful forums to remain a place where contentious issues can be debated or discussed without the fear of a pseudo Heckler’s Veto being employed. The Pit, and other places, are being used as weapons to circumvent the rules in other forums by making the social cost of challenging a loud, obnoxious minority’s desired orthodoxy very high. Remember, I’m the villain in all this.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/258 "2018-06-09T00:31:04Z")
There definitely is a board culture of “If you don’t agree with what I say 100%, then that means you are 100% for the opposite” I see it in a lot of threads. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/259 "2018-06-09T01:17:55Z")
> [@Knowed\_Out](#): > > Not to break up the dance, but all you pitters did was give \*\*octopus \*\*the attention he wanted. It’s because we all hope that he will eventually explode Mr. Creosote style from all of the forced induction. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/260 "2018-06-09T01:58:34Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Miller is a saint and from the times I’ve communicated with him exceedingly reasonable and rational. You take that back, you son-of-a-bitch. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/261 "2018-06-09T02:19:18Z")
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