# Octopus here's your own thread to shit all over **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550 "2018-06-06T15:40:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/422 "2020-06-02T17:46:36Z")
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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/423 "2020-06-02T17:49:05Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You snarky hypocrites need to stop your crying. Bone was right about you folks. You really love an environment where your double standards are condoned. > > You disingenuous fools very rarely call out the nuts on your side of the ideological spectrum. Why? Because you folks are dishonest. You folks love to call people trolls yet spend decades stirring up shit in order to make fun of people. You folks engage in long campaigns of character assassination because messing with people online is nothing more than a game for you. You fools love to paint large parts of the population with overly simplistic brushes sometimes combined with explicit calls of violence. > > Yes. I mock those who are anti first amendment and anti freedom of expression. They should be mocked. And, being in the pit or even elsewhere if applicable, when folks dishonestly cry racism, sexism, \_\_\_\_ism (hopefully the underscores aren’t triggering) then I’m perfectly willing to call it out as ridiculous. > > You folks don’t even know what racism, sexism, or trolling are. These are just words you reflexively use to generate outrage. Brown bag is racist!!1 Manhole is sexist11! It’s not hard to nutpick when the nuts are so plentiful. > > **Anyways, I’m not sorry at all that I don’t like violent, destructive, evil anarchists. They are as bad as the Charlottesville nazis and so are their apologists.** Are the Charlottesville Nazis as bad as them? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/424 "2020-06-02T17:52:48Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Are the Charlottesville Nazis as bad as them? Ideologically? Absolutely. And much worse. The ideology of purging races, ethnicities, or tribes is pretty hard to surpass on the horrific scale. Any other questions? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/425 "2020-06-02T17:57:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > With the folks on the board? Mostly annoyed at the hypocrisy. > > But I’m actually mad at the looters and rioters who have ruined a perfect opportunity to make real and necessary charge with regards to policing. Unlike the prison rape advocates and the mob violence advocates I’ve never been in favor of this extrajudicial punishment or barbaric criminal justice/penal system that we have in the US. It’s beyond bad and folks definitely have a legitimate grievance. > > I’d even, maybe, vote (D) if there were a realistic chance to get rid of some of the most egregious abuses.:eek::eek::eek: It’s weird how much we have in common. For example, I’d even maybe vote (R) if there were a realistic chance that every single conservative wasn’t a bigoted fascist. N.B.: I’ve exaggerated, but I hope I’ve made my point. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/426 "2020-06-02T17:57:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > With the folks on the board? Mostly annoyed at the hypocrisy. > > But I’m actually mad at the looters and rioters who have ruined a perfect opportunity to make real and necessary charge with regards to policing. Unlike the prison rape advocates and the mob violence advocates I’ve never been in favor of this extrajudicial punishment or barbaric criminal justice/penal system that we have in the US. It’s beyond bad and folks definitely have a legitimate grievance. > > I’d even, maybe, vote (D) if there were a realistic chance to get rid of some of the most egregious abuses.:eek::eek::eek: The most egregious abuses by whom? The Left (or what passes for it in the USA)? You eliminate the Republicans, and the “most egregious abuses” by the “Left” will amount to a negligible ripple on the overall signal put out by the remainder of the populace. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/427 "2020-06-02T18:00:23Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > It’s weird how much we have in common. For example, I’d even maybe vote (R) if there were a realistic chance that every single conservative wasn’t a bigoted fascist. > > N.B.: I’ve exaggerated, but I hope I’ve made my point. The pit is bringing people together! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/428 "2020-06-02T18:03:05Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Are the Charlottesville Nazis as bad as them? > [@octopus](#): > > Ideologically? Absolutely. And much worse. The ideology of purging races, ethnicities, or tribes is pretty hard to surpass on the horrific scale. Any other questions? Not on that particular point. I just wanted to give you the chance to say that out loud. Well done. 🙂 Why saying it out loud should need such a chance before it happens…well, baby steps, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/429 "2020-06-02T18:06:02Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > The most egregious abuses by whom? The Left (or what passes for it in the USA)? You eliminate the Republicans, and the “most egregious abuses” by the “Left” will amount to a negligible ripple on the overall signal put out by the remainder of the populace. Abuses by the police and criminal justice system. In many ways it’s barbaric and broken. In that thread where I advocated that people who feared for their lives leave, the corruption and brutality of the state here in the US is a contributing factor. I want to leave the US occasionally because of the tolerance of abuse. It’s inexcusable. I don’t because we profit greatly from being here and our socio-economic status makes my family a very unlikely target. I guess you could say we are privileged. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/430 "2020-06-02T18:07:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > The pit is bringing people together! 🙂 I’ve told you before, we’re not _together_. I don’t like you like that. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/431 "2020-06-02T18:13:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You folks don’t even know what racism, sexism, or trolling are. :dubious: _ **Really** _, you racist motherfucker? You’re telling ME that I don’t know what \*racism \*is? That’s got to be the funniest one yet. Regards[,](http://no_really_it_means_fuck_you.octopus.) MrDibble ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/432 "2020-06-02T18:14:26Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Abuses by the police and criminal justice system. In many ways it’s barbaric and broken. In that thread where I advocated that people who feared for their lives leave, the corruption and brutality of the state here in the US is a contributing factor. I want to leave the US occasionally because of the tolerance of abuse. It’s inexcusable. > > I don’t because we profit greatly from being here and our socio-economic status makes my family a very unlikely target. I guess you could say we are privileged. At least you’re capable of recognizing the problem. Dunno why you think that (D)’s wouldn’t enable it less than (R)’s, though. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/433 "2020-06-02T18:16:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Abuses by the police and criminal justice system. In many ways it’s barbaric and broken. In that thread where I advocated that people who feared for their lives leave, the corruption and brutality of the state here in the US is a contributing factor. I want to leave the US occasionally because of the tolerance of abuse. It’s inexcusable. > > I don’t because we profit greatly from being here and our socio-economic status makes my family a very unlikely target. I guess you could say we are privileged. Here’s what you continue to fail to understand: It is not your place to say who or whether people should leave based on some injustice that they have suffered, while you have not. It’s arrogant, at best. It’s racist, at worst. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/434 "2020-06-02T18:17:59Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > At least you’re capable of recognizing the problem. > > Dunno why you think that (D)’s wouldn’t enable it less than (R)’s, though. I said realistic chance. How in this country would popular support be sufficient to have whole sale prison and police reform? I don’t see it. Our national character is a bit too punitive. So, I can’t be in favor of the trade offs required if there is no hope for what I would like to see. Now obviously, I am 1 out of 100s of millions and my one vote and my opinion doesn’t accomplish much so it’s mostly academic anyways. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/435 "2020-06-02T18:22:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Views on what? On looting and torching occupied buildings? :dubious: Protesters aren’t looters. Looters loot; protesters protest. The vast majority of protesters are peaceful. The protesters aren’t vermin, even if many are on the “left”. The existence of some bad liberals is no excuse for your own hateful posts (no, my family and I aren’t vermin) and mass-slander of strangers. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/436 "2020-06-02T18:22:21Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I said realistic chance. How in this country would popular support be sufficient to have whole sale prison and police reform? I don’t see it. Our national character is a bit too punitive. So, I can’t be in favor of the trade offs required if there is no hope for what I would like to see. > > Now obviously, I am 1 out of 100s of millions and my one vote and my opinion doesn’t accomplish much so it’s mostly academic anyways. Perfect = enemy of good. Gotcha. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/437 "2020-06-02T18:22:28Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Here’s what you continue to fail to understand: > > It is not your place to say who or whether people should leave based on some injustice that they have suffered, while you have not. It’s arrogant, at best. It’s racist, at worst. And you are wrong. I am perfectly entitled to share my opinion as I wish when I wish. I don’t care how it’s characterized. You might not like that reality but it is what it is. And that’s the point really, it doesn’t matter what or how you think things should be. They are what they are and there are logical points of view that should be considered if one is really fearful for one’s life regardless of the perspective of the wokesphere. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/438 "2020-06-02T18:26:59Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And you are wrong. I am perfectly entitled to share my opinion as I wish when I wish. I don’t care how it’s characterized. You might not like that reality but it is what it is. And that’s the point really, it doesn’t matter what or how you think things should be. They are what they are and there are logical points of view that should be considered if one is really fearful for one’s life regardless of the perspective of the wokesphere. Then why do you whine so much when you get criticized? That’s just other folks telling you their opinions about your posts. And yet you whine endlessly – lately the majority of your posts are no more than whining about this board and this board’s posters. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/439 "2020-06-02T18:28:12Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Protesters aren’t looters. Looters loot; protesters protest. The vast majority of protesters are peaceful. The protesters aren’t vermin, even if many are on the “left”. > > The existence of some bad liberals is no excuse for your own hatefulness and mass-slander of strangers. Try some honesty and integrity. > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Perfect = enemy of good. > > Gotcha. No. It’s just each of the major parties is composed of a motley coalition of convenient allies that each intraparty faction hopes to control and exploit. I find the factions on the left to be more destructive to the nation as a whole than the factions on the right. So, even if I agree with a lot of the concepts on the social side of the left the far left and the counterproductive economic pandering is a complete turn off. Unfortunately, the right has its fair share of dangerous concepts but economically at least they understand supply and demand. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/440 "2020-06-02T18:34:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Try some honesty and integrity. So go to some effort. Point out my dishonest posts with cites and details. Let’s see it, if you can muster up effort that you never seem to elsewhere on this board. Let’s see if the laziest poster on this board can actually back up something he’s saying. Or, alternately, just make an excuse and continue to be the laziest poster on the board. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/441 "2020-06-02T18:32:15Z")
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