# Octopus here's your own thread to shit all over **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550 "2018-06-06T15:40:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/784 "2020-12-08T18:43:16Z")
That’s a good question. Happy Andy doesn’t let the mask slip. And it’s easy to tell looters and peaceful protesters apart. Peaceful protesters aren’t running down the street with a big screen TV. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/785 "2020-12-08T18:45:09Z")
Funny how the lazy and dishonest will do anything to change the subject away from their laziness and dishonesty (like the refusal to accept and denounce the Trump WH’s encouragement of violence and outright violent actions). ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/786 "2020-12-08T18:47:13Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > And it’s easy to tell looters and peaceful protesters apart. Peaceful protesters aren’t running down the street with a big screen TV. Actually, this is a great step towards the real world! Probably 99.9% or more of the protesters were peaceful, by this measure. Good for you for taking a step on the way to recognizing this! The next step would be to acknowledge that it was wrong for the Trump WH to encourage violence and to take action to brutalize many of these peaceful protesters. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/787 "2020-12-08T18:47:30Z")
Hey, don’t speak on laziness til you fix that low contrast avatar. Hippos demand more respect than to be portrayed as a blob. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/788 "2020-12-08T18:48:59Z")
Sure. Violence directed against peaceful protesters or lawful assembly or the exercise of freedom of speech is never acceptable. I’ll let OMB know; you send the memo to your Antifa comrades. I’m new to the semi-colon I hope I used it right. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/789 "2020-12-08T18:49:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Hey, don’t speak on laziness til you fix that low contrast avatar. Hippos demand more respect than to be portrayed as a blob Whereas I think your avatar is perfect. The simplistic, cartoonish representation of an octopus thematically echoes the content of your posts - cartoonish, simplistic representations of actual thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/790 "2020-12-08T18:52:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Violence directed against peaceful protesters or lawful assembly or the exercise of freedom of speech is never acceptable. So then why do you spend all this time railing against the actions of a tiny number of nearly powerless people (those very few actual looters and violent among the protesters), and no time criticizing those in power in the WH who encouraged violence and ordered brutal violence against peaceful protesters? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/791 "2020-12-08T18:53:20Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > and no time criticizing those in power in the WH who encouraged violence and ordered brutal violence against peaceful protesters? We’ve been over this, those peaceful protestors don’t own successful businesses, so fuckem. I mean, if you don’t own a business that brings in at least 500k every year, are you even a “human person”? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/792 "2020-12-08T18:56:29Z")
That’s a good question. In all honesty, I probably should spend more time criticizing the right or those on the right that behave reprehensibly. Perhaps it is lazy that I don’t add my voice to those voices here that do so. Typically, however, there are certain threads I stay out of or only lurk and those are threads in which I agree with the majority opinion. I prefer discussions where I disagree with the majority. That’s where I find my time productively spent for my interests. Which is finding out if I can be convinced to think differently. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/793 "2020-12-08T18:58:57Z")
Thank you for this reasonable self-critique. Perhaps my recent characterization was too harsh. We can all do better to call out the worst among us. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/794 "2020-12-08T19:04:56Z")
Not a problem. If we were to sit down and share lunch you’d probably find that we aren’t diametrically opposed just that we weigh certain issues drastically differently. You for example, rightfully fear white supremacy. I rightfully fear concentration of power. I suspect you feel the state can be constrained even if entrusted with more power. My understanding of history leaves me feeling highly skeptical that that’s the case. This is why I consistently support the rights of the abhorrent. I feel that, while sub optimal, it is less dangerous then empowering the state or proxies to suppress freedoms. Believe me, I dislike radical or reactionary politics as much as you do. I disagree with how society should tolerate and handle the issue though. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/795 "2020-12-08T20:11:13Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It was Trump minions assaulting peaceful protesters, sometimes per the orders of his administration. [Not to mention ordering his minions to shoot Michael Reinoehl, and bragging about it](https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/13/new-eyewitness-accounts-feds-didnt-identify-themselves-before-firing-on-portland-antifa-shooting-suspect/), rather than allowing a fair trial. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/796 "2020-12-08T20:16:01Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > It was Trump minions assaulting peaceful protesters, sometimes per the orders of his administration. > > [Not to mention ordering his minions to shoot Michael Reinoehl, and bragging about it](https://www.opb.org/article/2020/10/13/new-eyewitness-accounts-feds-didnt-identify-themselves-before-firing-on-portland-antifa-shooting-suspect/), rather than allowing a fair trial Since Reinoehl doesn’t own a successful business, I don’t see why you would bring this up. ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/797 "2020-12-08T21:12:15Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I suspect you feel the state can be constrained even if entrusted with more power. My understanding of history leaves me feeling highly skeptical that that’s the case. This is why I consistently support the rights of the abhorrent. I feel that, while sub optimal, it is less dangerous then empowering the state or proxies to suppress freedoms. Believe me, I dislike radical or reactionary politics as much as you do. I disagree with how society should tolerate and handle the issue though. OK, let me see if I can parse this correctly. You distrust “the state.” (Short for Deep State?) So, you support “the abhorrent,” which I guess includes tyrants, despots and our soon-to-be-ex president, with the caveat that they are “sub-optimal.” You prefer the sub-optimal abhorrents to have more power than The State, which essentially means you support dictatorship, despite its many flaws. Therefore, you prefer a dictator decide your freedoms instead of The State. By extraction, you prefer a dictatorship be in charge of handling and containing riots, because you don’t like “radical politics” like any normal person… You’d think a dictatorship would definitely be a deterrent to acts of violence. If it weren’t for all those pesky freedom fighters… ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/798 "2020-12-08T21:12:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If I demand to be referred to as a potato But if you demand to be referred to as “octopus”…? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/799 "2020-12-08T22:48:44Z")
You parsed that as poorly as possible for someone who isn’t brain damaged. Kudos! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/800 "2020-12-08T22:53:35Z")
Then you must or you will be deemed a jerkitude or a dick or whatever the term is this month for a bad egg. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/801 "2020-12-08T23:03:43Z")
_Don’t you get it_? If your username was **a\_potato** you should expect to be referred to as **a\_potato**. If somehow Ed Zotti installed a Discourse plugin which shows every member’s preferred pronouns next to their name, I would have zero objections to requiring the use of preferred pronouns. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/802 "2020-12-08T23:46:00Z")
Still no cite for cities being burned . . . interesting. It’s as if that didn’t happen and Mr. Potatohead pulled it out of his ass nethers. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/803 "2020-12-08T23:48:10Z")
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