# Octopus here's your own thread to shit all over **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 6, 2018, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550 "2018-06-06T15:40:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 59
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1165 "2021-01-07T23:01:39Z")
Is there a difference if you’re a MAGAt? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1166 "2021-01-07T23:04:30Z")
If every publisher follows suit, he has effectively been silenced. Or at least he has been deprived of one form of publicity which would act to dampen his voice somewhat. Also, the message S&S presented means that anyone who does decide to publish is basically saying, “Yes we support what Hawley did to enable a dangerous threat.” And that should dissuade others from taking that heat. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1167 "2021-01-07T23:08:28Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If every publisher follows suit, he has effectively been silenced. Or at least he has been deprived of one form of publicity which would act to dampen his voice somewhat. But - again - they have no obligation to provide him with that publicity, and they have every obligation to minimize any damage to themselves. He’s not being locked up or gagged. If some other publisher decides that printing a controversial book is worth the risk (and there are plenty of those), they can make him an offer. And he can still self-publish if he wants to. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1168 "2021-01-07T23:15:11Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > What do you mean political points? I try to argue my point of view in hostile territory. I don’t think I succeed. If I honestly didn’t want to hear from you folks, when you are posting rationally that is, I wouldn’t post and read here. I gain absolutely 0 value from posting with folks who I already agree with. > > I want my mind changed. If you can convince me that I’m wrong on let’s say minimum wage or mobs tearing down statues I’ll admit it. Posting on this forum has changed my stance on basic income, subsidized adult education, expansion of health care, capital punishment, etc. > > That’s at least four subjects in which I admit, publicly in the pit to people who insult and ridicule me, that my previous views needed improvement. What I won’t do is change my views or how I present my views to please the woke. Have you looked into changing them so as to render them no longer objectively incorrect? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1169 "2021-01-07T23:33:30Z")
He has the internet, his own personal Printing Press. He will be OK. After all, you can still buy the Turner Diaries and Mein Kampf @ Amazon, if you wish. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1170 "2021-01-07T23:43:03Z")
Well that warms my heart. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 7, 2021, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1171 "2021-01-07T23:46:11Z")
Just saying, if you want to buy the product of history’s greatest monsters, they’re available from The Worlds Biggest Bookstore, now a Fortune 10 company. So Hawley is fine without his S&S contract- he has a market. You can even say his market is… (•\_•) ( •\_•)\>⌐■-■ (⌐■\_■) … Prime. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1172 "2021-01-08T00:03:57Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If every publisher follows suit, he has effectively been silenced. That’s a hell of a big “if”, though. It’s very unlikely that just because a mainstream publisher decides that having Hawley as one of their authors will damage their reputation, every other publishing outlet will likewise blacklist him. If Hawley wants, for example, he can self-publish his book and then use PAC funds to buy lots of copies to give to his donors, as [Sarah Palin did with her autobiography](https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sarah-palin-pac-buy-book/story?id=9718024). And as a sitting Republican Senator, Hawley has lots of other options as well. He has no shortage of media outlets to disseminate his views, and having his book contract cancelled is not being “silenced”. > [@Atamasama](#): > > Also, the message S&S presented means that anyone who does decide to publish is basically saying, “Yes we support what Hawley did to enable a dangerous threat.” And that should dissuade others from taking that heat. A lot of people seem to have misconceptions like this about the role of book publishers. An individual publisher is not the supreme arbiter of the worth or legitimacy of a book in the publishing industry as a whole, any more than they are some kind of automated printing service that in fairness ought to be equally available to everybody, like a public copy machine. Publishers are more like, say, movie studios, which seek out moviemakers engaged on specific projects that they think will make money and enhance their reputation, rather than just offering standardized filming services to all and sundry. A publisher or studio can be more like a collaborator or patron on a creative work than like a service provider. They are putting up the money (sometimes a large amount of it) to produce the work, and they are often very picky about whom they want to get involved with and what sort of works they want to produce. But that doesn’t mean that any one publisher or studio is the gatekeeper for the entire industry or has the ability to “silence” an author by dumping their contract. Any publisher or studio might initially contract for a work that they later decide to reject, and often the rejected work is picked up by another publisher or studio and does just fine. There is no Simon & Schuster angel with a flaming sword eternally posted at the east side of the Garden of Successful Publication to bar the way to Hawley’s book forevermore. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1173 "2021-01-08T00:39:17Z")
Gutenberg only printed what Gutenberg wanted to print. This is how printing has worked since 1453. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1174 "2021-01-08T01:01:15Z")
When ISPs refuse to offer him service, then we’ll talk about ‘silencing’. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 9:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1175 "2021-01-08T09:20:06Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > When ISPs refuse to offer him service, then we’ll taIk about ‘silencing’. > > ~Max “Refuse to **sell** him service,” surely? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1176 "2021-01-08T13:58:04Z")
Blue Lives Matter, those treasonous, seditious, racist, property destroying, business disrupting assholes, KILLED A COP. Therefore, Octogon, when I read your Dale Dribble dribblings about BLM, I know you are also speaking of your side. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1177 "2021-01-08T19:32:26Z")
Your posts in the stock market and virus thread were more than sufficient to demonstrate your illogical and hysterical mind. Why should your bizarre ranting in the pit be treated differently? Hopefully no one acted on your ‘sage’ advice from March. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1178 "2021-01-08T20:12:46Z")
Lol. I might have been wrong, but at least I’m not a treasonous piece of useless shit like you are. Blue Lives Matter killed a cop. Your movement can fuck off. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1179 "2021-01-08T20:16:22Z")
Yeah, you were terribly wrong and gleefully gave people shitty advice all out of petty partisanship. Your politics and chronic fixation on hell are as hysterical as your understanding of finances and economics. I seriously hope that in your job you aren’t responsible for anything consequential because you just aren’t right. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2021, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1180 "2021-01-08T20:17:22Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Blue Lives Matter killed a cop. A Trump supporter with a suspended Twitter account, no less. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1181 "2021-01-10T22:44:57Z")
Not to mention time and time again, he’s been informed that he’s not required to participate in the Pit. He refuses to listen. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1182 "2021-01-10T23:03:19Z")
Please, make a Maryann vs Ginger thread and see how well that line of argument works vs the horde of whiners. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2021, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1183 "2021-01-10T23:07:29Z")
It would have been better had he simply not voted – that was an option. That aside, I don’t have a problem with octopus as a poster, and we gotta realize that ganging up on him like this isn’t going to make him more “persuadable”. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2021, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/1184 "2021-01-11T01:56:21Z")
Everyone’s overthinking this. I’m going to use a _ **really** _ crude analogy because it’s extremely apt and this is the pit and you get so…squishy…whenever anyone is a “potty mouth” around you. I’m sure, somewhere on the Internet that their are pictures of people that insert incredibly large objects into their anal orifices. I wouldn’t know, but I bet it hurts to look at them. But those people in the photos didn’t get there all at once. Maybe they started with a Q-tip, like watching Fox News in its early years. And that little lie, a hint of the worldview in which they _mattered_ more than their bosses with their college degrees, felt good. And the lies got bigger, maybe pencil-sized, and that felt even better. But at a point Fox News stopped. But they had an audience of people with carrots up their butts that wanted to feel something more. So free markets filled that market. And as the Republican buttholes expanded, so did the selection of media outlets that wanted to stretch them wide with the world where they were the only people that _mattered_. So they were primed when Trump took office. There were so many lies and so many increasingly large objects being stuck up Republican buttholes, but these are the highlights That first lie, the one about the size of his inauguration was the pencil. His false protestations of innocence in RussiaGate was the carrot The Zelensky phone call impeachment was the beer can Then Trump lost the election and greased up the watermelon. And his fans took it, that big greasy watermelon in the butt sized lie, and liked it. But a Republican doesn’t just get up one morning and say - “I think I’ll grease up a watermelon and stick it up my butt today. They have to be groomed to do that. They have to be primed. It helps if they spend their days around other people that stick big greasy watermelons up their butt. It normalizes it. But, in polite society, people don’t like people that walk around with big greasy watermelons stuck up their butt, and sometimes they don’t want someone with a big greasy watermelon up their butt to be their friend or work for them. No one wants to listen to you when you have a big greasy watermelon in your butt. Stop complaining about Big Tech and deplatforming and cancel culture. Stop complaining about haters and bigots. Stop acting so…butthurt…all the time. You want a good job or nice friends or the ability to shop and walk through an airport in peace… _ **TAKE THE BIG GREASY WATERMELON OUT OF YOUR BUTT! STOP STICKING STUFF IN YOUR BUTT!** _ It’s very simple We aren’t shunning you because of your race or religion. We aren’t shunning you because you live in the country or lack fashion sense. We aren’t even shunning you for your political beliefs, your views on tax policy or immigration. We are shunning you because you insist on believing those watermelon-sized lies that you stick up your butt. It’s not normal. Stop doing that and you can re-enter polite society. But not until then. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550.md?page=58) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550.md?page=60)