# Octopus is having a meltdown... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 28, 2018, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098 "2018-09-28T08:26:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/201 "2018-10-25T22:36:22Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I wasn’t lording anything over anyone. I didn’t bring up the lack of romance to start with. I was giving friendly advice on how to meet people. It might not be effective but the intent wasn’t anything sinister. You should work on tone, then. But in any case, I’ll take your lack of response to the rest of my post as complete agreement on your part, which you will clearly internalize and thus will stop mischaracterizing persons you don’t like as unhinged, stalkers, or compulsive liars. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2018, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/202 "2018-10-25T23:18:59Z")
In another thread, **octopus** treats the spate of bomb deliveries as a “political” act, and thinks that it’s the left’s advocacy of violence that is to blame. No apology for the actions of what he clearly regards as “his team.” One gets the sense that the bombs were just payback for GOPsters being asked to leave a restaurant. :smack: What would he have said if the restaurants, instead of asking Trumpturds to leave, had poisoned their food? “_That’s_ the American way!” ? In this thread, with #86 I made an honest effort to bridge the gap, got the useless #99 back, tried again with #107. Then, with #110, he justifies inviting persecuted blacks to leave the country by saying he’d like to leave also, moving to the South of France. “Tone deafness” is no longer a viable hypothesis; the choices (which are not mutually exclusive) are “trolling” and “stupidity.” **HurricaneDitka** is a clinical moron who is auditioning to lick Trump’s butt-hole. **Octopus** is harder to understand. He’s obviously smarter than **Ditka** , but I’m not sure he understands his own posts. Is he Megyn Kelly without the brains or good looks? Or is he just a troll with nothing better to do with his time than play us along for laughs? Either way there are millions of voters just like these turds. Heaven help America. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/203 "2018-10-26T02:04:07Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > In another thread, **octopus** treats the spate of bomb deliveries as a “political” act, and thinks that it’s the left’s advocacy of violence that is to blame. No apology for the actions of what he clearly regards as “his team.” One gets the sense that the bombs were just payback for GOPsters being asked to leave a restaurant. :smack: What would he have said if the restaurants, instead of asking Trumpturds to leave, had poisoned their food? “_That’s_ the American way!” ? > > In this thread, with #86 I made an honest effort to bridge the gap, got the useless #99 back, tried again with #107. Then, with #110, he justifies inviting persecuted blacks to leave the country by saying he’d like to leave also, moving to the South of France. “Tone deafness” is no longer a viable hypothesis; the choices (which are not mutually exclusive) are “trolling” and “stupidity.” > > **HurricaneDitka** is a clinical moron who is auditioning to lick Trump’s butt-hole. **Octopus** is harder to understand. He’s obviously smarter than **Ditka** , but I’m not sure he understands his own posts. Is he Megyn Kelly without the brains or good looks? Or is he just a troll with nothing better to do with his time than play us along for laughs? > > Either way there are millions of voters just like these turds. Heaven help America. You just choose to read too much into simple statements. Look at that refugee caravan. They left their country in order to find better conditions. I said I’d do the same if I felt this country was no longer the best choice for me. You and others think that’s “omg racist1!!” In the bomb thread I said my usual. I think violence directed at political opponents is wrong. I have been consistent with that. Unlike the Antifa supporters on this board. These aren’t difficult sentences to parse. Unfortunately, you and many others on this board cannot help but to see connotations that aren’t there and then attack the poster and erect and attack a strawman. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/204 "2018-10-26T03:52:48Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You just choose to read too much into simple statements. Look at that refugee caravan. They left their country in order to find better conditions. I said I’d do the same if I felt this country was no longer the best choice for me. You and others think that’s “omg racist1!!” Wrong. (At this point I won’t worry whether you’re deliberately lying, on drugs, or just have a very bad memory – but this is _ **WRONG!** _) **You introduced the _“Why don’t you just leave the country?”_ in the context of a black American who complained of being persecuted.** Your tone was snooty, sanctimonious, sarcastic. I tend to be a little tone-deaf, so if even I knew it was VERY bad tone … it was bad tone. I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Some people (and I include myself) are inept at social interactions and not very self-aware. I often post things here at SDMB (e.g. use of words like “Oriental” or things somewhat misogynist) and have to have my flaws pointed out. I try to learn. I did the same with you. You refused to learn. You refused to accept, or to try to understand, that your comment would sound very condescending and sarcastic to most humans; you doubled-down. I was patient and explained it in 2 or more ways. No use. You are at least one of the following (a) totally lacking in self-awareness and unwilling to learn (b) stupid (c) trolling. I’m not sure which. By now _I don’t care_. But, unless you are just trolling or stupid, as most here think, _ **YOU SHOULD CARE!** _ > [@octopus](#): > > In the bomb thread I said my usual. I think violence directed at political opponents is wrong. I have been consistent with that. Unlike the Antifa supporters on this board. Liar. Everyone in the thread EXCEPT you Trumpists agrees that violence directed against political opponents is wrong. Even your idol, Trump, read that from his teleprompter yesterday (though of course he doesn’t believe it). What you DID do was to shit on the thread. Try to make it a Tu Quoque. “You antifas (even though nobody here is an antifa) pushed that big strong Nazi; So … reap what you sow! Eat shit and get bombed libtards.” (No, those aren’t your exact words. But the meaning was plain.) Suppose your mother just died and you wrote a sincere thread about it. Then I answered “Sorry about your loss, blah blah blah. Knowing you she was probably a whore the world will be better off without. No niggers came to the funeral – did I guess right?” Would that be appropriate? Yes or No, serious question; your self-awareness and capacity for human values are so deficient, for all I know you’d consider that appropriate and write the same if my mother died. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/205 "2018-10-26T04:37:21Z")
I wish you luck. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/206 "2018-10-26T04:43:04Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Wrong. (At this point I won’t worry whether you’re deliberately lying, on drugs, or just have a very bad memory – but this is _ **WRONG!** _) > > **You introduced the _“Why don’t you just leave the country?”_ in the context of a black American who complained of being persecuted.** > > Your tone was snooty, sanctimonious, sarcastic. I tend to be a little tone-deaf, so if even I knew it was VERY bad tone … it was bad tone. > > I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Some people (and I include myself) are inept at social interactions and not very self-aware. I often post things here at SDMB (e.g. use of words like “Oriental” or things somewhat misogynist) and have to have my flaws pointed out. I try to learn. > > I did the same with you. You refused to learn. You refused to accept, or to try to understand, that your comment would sound very condescending and sarcastic to most humans; you doubled-down. I was patient and explained it in 2 or more ways. No use. You are at least one of the following > (a) totally lacking in self-awareness and unwilling to learn > (b) stupid > (c) trolling. > I’m not sure which. By now _I don’t care_. But, unless you are just trolling or stupid, as most here think, _ **YOU SHOULD CARE!** _ > > Liar. Everyone in the thread EXCEPT you Trumpists agrees that violence directed against political opponents is wrong. Even your idol, Trump, read that from his teleprompter yesterday (though of course he doesn’t believe it). > > What you DID do was to shit on the thread. Try to make it a Tu Quoque. “You antifas (even though nobody here is an antifa) pushed that big strong Nazi; So … reap what you sow! Eat shit and get bombed libtards.” (No, those aren’t your exact words. But the meaning was plain.) > > Suppose your mother just died and you wrote a sincere thread about it. Then I answered “Sorry about your loss, blah blah blah. Knowing you she was probably a whore the world will be better off without. No niggers came to the funeral – did I guess right?” > > Would that be appropriate? Yes or No, serious question; your self-awareness and capacity for human values are so deficient, for all I know you’d consider that appropriate and write the same if my mother died. I don’t write in order to please you or seek approval from the mob. Do I read and think about what I read? Sure. And I actually treat you folks far better than you treat others. I know this is a very difficult concept so I’m typing this extra slow. Violence to advance a political agenda is bad and many on this forum support political violence. It’s dishonest to pretend they don’t. It’s clear that those who form the echo chamber here do not debate honestly. They do not value intellectual consistency or logical, general principles. Now I, as a general rule, do not participate in grieving threads. I have huge amounts of empathy but I find that I’d rather not write something that unintentionally comes across as cliche or insensitive when someone has just experienced a loss. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/207 "2018-10-26T05:28:51Z")
**Octopus** and the Nitwit-in-Chief do seem to be in sync. Here’s Nitwit’s latest: > [@@realDonaldTrump](#): > > A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST! ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/208 "2018-10-26T05:29:29Z")
You, sir are a jerk. I mean Octopus. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/209 "2018-10-26T05:42:25Z")
**octopus** , if everyone here is so unfair to you, lies to you and about you, and generally treats you like shit, why do you stick around? FWIW if everyone is an asshole to you, it’s probably you. People here have been entirely fair with you - it’s just that eother you’re kind of a shitty person or just really bad at communicating. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/210 "2018-10-26T14:44:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > … > > It’s clear that those who form the echo chamber here do not debate honestly. They do not value intellectual consistency or logical, general principles. . This is a really broad gross generalization that you have applied to a lot of different people which can’t possibly be true. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/211 "2018-10-26T16:48:58Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > **octopus** , if everyone here is so unfair to you, lies to you and about you, and generally treats you like shit, why do you stick around? > > FWIW if everyone is an asshole to you, it’s probably you. People here have been entirely fair with you - it’s just that eother you’re kind of a shitty person or just really bad at communicating. It’s obviously not everyone. But there is a very vocal and obsessive/deranged group that deserves credit for the accurate perception of this board being a hostile echo chamber. That said, there is still value to be had in discussions in many of the forums. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/212 "2018-10-26T16:55:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > the accurate perception of this board being a hostile echo chamber. Fuck…Fuck…Fuck…Fuck…Fuck…Fuck…Fuck… ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/213 "2018-10-26T16:58:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s obviously not everyone. But there is a very vocal and obsessive/deranged group that deserves credit for the accurate perception of this board being a hostile echo chamber. That said, there is still value to be had in discussions in many of the forums. Am I one of them? I mean, I _do_ post rather a lot (from ~10 to 6 on weekdays discounting vacations) - does that make me “vocal”? Does that make me “obsessive”? I mean, that’s a lot of posting! I must do and think of nothing else! (As for deranged, I presume that everyone who disagrees with you is deranged.) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/214 "2018-10-26T19:07:49Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Fuck…Fuck…Fuck…Fuck…Fuck…Fuck…Fuck… Ok. This is profanity I can appreciate. It’s so evocative and a proper response. > [@begbert2](#): > > Am I one of them? > > I mean, I _do_ post rather a lot (from ~10 to 6 on weekdays discounting vacations) - does that make me “vocal”? Does that make me “obsessive”? I mean, that’s a lot of posting! I must do and think of nothing else! > > (As for deranged, I presume that everyone who disagrees with you is deranged.) I don’t call people deranged for disagreeing. Deranged is a methodology and a persistence or in certain cases an extreme tone such as Der Trihs or SteveG1. I disagree with a lot of so-called conservative positions and a lot of so-called liberal positions. If I thought everyone who held a position that I disagreed with since they lie on all parts of the spectrum were deranged I’d probably be the deranged one. ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/215 "2018-10-26T20:00:39Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Wrong. (At this point I won’t worry whether you’re deliberately lying, on drugs, or just have a very bad memory – but this is _ **WRONG!** _) > > **You introduced the _“Why don’t you just leave the country?”_ in the context of a black American who complained of being persecuted.** > > Your tone was snooty, sanctimonious, sarcastic. I tend to be a little tone-deaf, so if even I knew it was VERY bad tone … it was bad tone. > > I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Some people (and I include myself) are inept at social interactions and not very self-aware. I often post things here at SDMB (e.g. use of words like “Oriental” or things somewhat misogynist) and have to have my flaws pointed out. I try to learn. > > I did the same with you. You refused to learn. You refused to accept, or to try to understand, that your comment would sound very condescending and sarcastic to most humans; you doubled-down. I was patient and explained it in 2 or more ways. No use. You are at least one of the following > (a) totally lacking in self-awareness and unwilling to learn > (b) stupid > (c) trolling. > I’m not sure which. By now _I don’t care_. But, unless you are just trolling or stupid, as most here think, _ **YOU SHOULD CARE!** _ > > Liar. Everyone in the thread EXCEPT you Trumpists agrees that violence directed against political opponents is wrong. Even your idol, Trump, read that from his teleprompter yesterday (though of course he doesn’t believe it). > > What you DID do was to shit on the thread. Try to make it a Tu Quoque. “You antifas (even though nobody here is an antifa) pushed that big strong Nazi; So … reap what you sow! Eat shit and get bombed libtards.” (No, those aren’t your exact words. But the meaning was plain.) > > Suppose your mother just died and you wrote a sincere thread about it. Then I answered “Sorry about your loss, blah blah blah. Knowing you she was probably a whore the world will be better off without. No niggers came to the funeral – did I guess right?” > > Would that be appropriate? Yes or No, serious question; your self-awareness and capacity for human values are so deficient, for all I know you’d consider that appropriate and write the same if my mother died. How do you shoulder the burden so effortlessly white man? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/216 "2018-10-26T20:31:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I don’t call people deranged for disagreeing. Deranged is a methodology and a persistence or in certain cases an extreme tone such as Der Trihs or SteveG1. > > I disagree with a lot of so-called conservative positions and a lot of so-called liberal positions. If I thought everyone who held a position that I disagreed with since they lie on all parts of the spectrum were deranged I’d probably be the deranged one. I know way too many loud people to think that being loud is derangement. And you didn’t answer my question! Am I part of the “very vocal and obsessive/deranged group”? I’m trying to get an idea of what it takes to qualify here. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/217 "2018-10-26T20:57:01Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I know way too many loud people to think that being loud is derangement. > > And you didn’t answer my question! Am I part of the “very vocal and obsessive/deranged group”? I’m trying to get an idea of what it takes to qualify here. You? Hmm… I’d say my only critique of you is you could read a bit more carefully and not read things that aren’t there. But you don’t strike me as part of the deranged contingent. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/218 "2018-10-26T21:04:47Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You? Hmm… I’d say my only critique of you is you could read a bit more carefully and not read things that aren’t there. But you don’t strike me as part of the deranged contingent. Damn. I guess I need to stalk you more. (Without having to log in evenings or weekends, natch.) Now I’m trying to guess what it would take to qualify. Many people here have extreme positions - you included. Is that alone enough? Is strident defense of a position enough? Surely it can’t be about resorting to insults, as you do that too. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/219 "2018-10-28T18:48:54Z")
I don’t think I was ever promoted to the _Immoral Ilk_. :o Can I be part of the _Deranged Contingent_? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2018, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098/220 "2018-10-29T07:29:08Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > You, sir are a jerk. > > I mean Octopus. He won’t listen. I’ve tried having conversations. I’ve tried arguing. I’ve tried shocking. He has his worldview and he won’t shift it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-is-having-a-meltdown/822098.md?page=12)