# Odd Man Out **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [June 13, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277 "2016-06-13T18:58:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/202 "2016-08-13T04:31:48Z")
> [@RivkahChaya](#): > > You don’t have to have seen _You Can’t Take It with You_, but you need to know a little about Barrymore personally. > > If you saw _It’s a Wonderful Life_ maybe you’ll figure it out without looking up Barrymore, but it’s probably in his IMDb bio. According to Wikipedia, he had problems with his legs, although it isn’t specific on exactly what. So, is he the odd man out because he was the only one from your list who actually needed the crutches? ---
**Author:** ![RivkahChaya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rivkahchaya/32/8919_2.png) [@RivkahChaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RivkahChaya)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/203 "2016-08-13T05:40:18Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > According to Wikipedia, he had problems with his legs, although it isn’t specific on exactly what. > > So, is he the odd man out because he was the only one from your list who actually needed the crutches? Pretty much. What I was going for was that the other actors were able-bodied, but used the devices because the parts called for them, while in Barrymore’s case, an able-bodied part was altered to need crutches, because Barrymore needed them in real life. There’s a brief line added to the film about how he broke his foot, and had it all bandaged up. He played two major roles in wheelchairs afterward: Dr. Kildare’s (Lew Ayres) mentor in the whole Dr. Kildare series, and Mr. Potter in _It’s a Wonderful Life._ Somehow, it worked. The kindly mentor in Dr. Kildare came across as a man who was very ready to pass on his knowledge as he felt his career ending, and Mr. Potter came across as a man who needed to flex his pecuniary power since he lacked physical power. That’s real acting chops when you can take a serious disability and make it work for you. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2016, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/204 "2016-08-13T15:36:50Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > They’re all human beings except the green locomotive? Erm, that’s not the answer I had in mind. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2020, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/205 "2020-04-16T12:41:11Z")
Which of the following is the ‘Odd Man Out’? Richard Dreyfuss Alec Guinness Ben Kingsley Charles Laughton George C. Scott Timothy Spall Some of the earlier groups haven’t yet been solved, including: > [@septimus](#): > > This one should be straightforward. :rolleyes: > > Catherine Carey > Edward of Woodstock ‘the Black Prince’ > James Stuart ‘the Old Pretender’ > John of Gaunt > King Henry VIII > Queen Victoria > Victoria Adelaide Mary Louisa, German Empress I have a solution for this one, but am not overly confident it’s the solution originally intended! :smack: Help? ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/206 "2020-04-17T02:48:30Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Which of the following is the ‘Odd Man Out’? > Richard Dreyfuss > Alec Guinness > Ben Kingsley > Charles Laughton > George C. Scott > Timothy Spall Spall’s name on the list suggests they might have played Chuchill? ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/207 "2020-04-17T04:10:28Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > This one should be straightforward. > > Catherine Carey > Edward of Woodstock ‘the Black Prince’ > James Stuart ‘the Old Pretender’ > John of Gaunt > King Henry VIII > Queen Victoria > Victoria Adelaide Mary Louisa, German Empress Catherine Carey is the only one who didn’t marry a cousin? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2020, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/208 "2020-04-17T05:46:56Z")
Glad to see some responses! Let’s get this thread hopping again — it’s fine to submit new lists while older lists remain unsolved. > [@jtur88](#): > > Spall’s name on the list suggests they might have played Chuchill? Close. All but one on the list played the role of \_\_\_\_\_\_\_. > [@Aspidistra](#): > > > [@septimus](#): > > > > Catherine Carey > > Edward of Woodstock ‘the Black Prince’ > > James Stuart ‘the Old Pretender’ > > John of Gaunt > > King Henry VIII > > Queen Victoria > > Victoria Adelaide Mary Louisa, German Empress > > Catherine Carey is the only one who didn’t marry a cousin? No. This one may be ridiculously hard for anyone not an English royal genealogy buff. As hints, first I’ll remind about the genealogies with two solutions that \*almost \*work. A. Each has same given name as parent. Edward Black Prince was son of Edward III, James Pretender was son of King James II, Henry VIII was son of Henry VII, Queen Victoria was daughter of Duchess Victoria, Victoria the Empress was daughter of Queen Victoria herself. But this leaves TWO people out (Carey and Gaunt) so doesn’t work. B. Each had a son crowned as sovereign. But again there are two exceptions since James Pretender’s son, Bonnie Prince Charlie the Young Pretender, was AFAIK never crowned as a King despite his claim. Even the Pope refused to recognize him! Clap me on the back! I did derive a solution which, despite lack of any clear memory thereof, is almost surely the solution I intended 4 years ago. The solution assumes the truth of a [controversial assumption (supported by _much_ circumstantial evidence)](https://www.genealogymagazine.com/mary-boleyns-carey-children-offspring-of-king-henry-viii/) about Henry Carey (Catherine Carey’s father). This relationship serves as a big hint for the Odd Man Out puzzle. > [@John Haile (or Hale)](#): > > Moreover, Mr. Skydmore dyd show to me yongge Master Care, saying that he was our suffren Lord the Kynge’s son by our suffren Lady the Qwyen’s syster, whom the Qwyen’s grace might not suffer to be yn the Cowrte. Why didn’t other courtesans come forth to confirm Henry Carey’s royal paternity? Henry VIII’s prior fathering of children by Anne Boleyn’s sister made the marriage of Henry and Anne illegal.\*\*\* John Haile was executed at Tyburn two weeks after he gave the quoted testimony.\*\*\* (BTW, the martyr Haile was beatified in 1886 by Pope Leo XIII.) ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/209 "2020-04-18T09:00:52Z")
> [@](#): > > Richard Dreyfuss > Alec Guinness > Ben Kingsley > Charles Laughton > George C. Scott > Timothy Spall Played Lord Wellington? Sweeney Todd? IMDB has eliminated character lookup, in their rush to a useless shit site. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2020, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/210 "2020-04-18T12:40:08Z")
Rather than spoilering any of the pending puzzles, here is another one, for the chemists: benzene caffeine cyclohexanol fructose glucose lysine niacin ```auto [quote="jtur88, post:209, topic:757277"] Played Lord Wellington? Sweeney Todd? [/QUOTE] No. Hint: None of the performances were live theater. Is there a Cafe Society thread listing stories or roles played at least five times? [QUOTE] IMDB has eliminated character lookup, in their rush to a useless shit site. [/QUOTE] But does it saturate the browser with javascripts? Some horrid sites bring my struggling small-memory laptop to a screeching halt. :mad: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'll give a partial spoiler for this one: Catherine Carey Edward of Woodstock 'the Black Prince' James Stuart 'the Old Pretender' John of Gaunt King Henry VIII Queen Victoria Victoria Adelaide Mary Louisa, German Empress ***All but one had a _r __d__ t ___who was____ _________.*** ``` ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277/211 "2020-04-20T20:49:57Z")
The real Odd Man Out was **me** — for thinking y’all wanted to play _Odd Man Out_! I’ll sign out now, spoilering my pending puzzles lest I otherwise be tempted to re-bump. Richard Dreyfuss Alec Guinness Ben Kingsley Charles Laughton George C. Scott Timothy Spall All except Charles Laughton played the role of Fagin from _Oliver Twist_. Catherine Carey Edward of Woodstock ‘the Black Prince’ James Stuart ‘the Old Pretender’ John of Gaunt King Henry VIII Queen Victoria Victoria Adelaide Mary Louisa, German Empress All except Victoria the German Empress had a grandfather who was King of England. benzene caffeine cyclohexanol fructose glucose lysine niacin The caffeine molecule has 8 carbon atoms; all the others have exactly six carbon atoms. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odd-man-out/757277.md?page=10)