Odds of landing a faculty position with a Sociology PhD

I just did a Google search on both the phrases “It’s not what you know” and “It’s not who you know”. “It’s not what you know” appears about fifteen times as frequently. It’s an old saying. There are several common completions to “It’s not who you know”, so don’t tell us it’s obvious which one you mean. Why don’t you tell us which one you mean, md2000?

Given that your knowledge of academia is from your parents and from years ago and that mhendo’s is from currently teaching at a university, why should we believe that you know more about academic life than he does?

More thoughts…

I never explained my own background. I’m in education, a somewhat related field on the applied side of the coin. I am on the tenure track at a top-tier flagship public research university, so much of what I say will emanate from that experience. YMMV, etc. when it comes to jobs in academia. Where you want to go really matters. The other thing is that disciplines, specialities, and even subspecialties vary greatly. Much of what folks in even related fields will have no relevance. As others have said, this young woman needs to seek out mentorship and advice from current PhD candidates and recently minted PhDs in her specialty and subspecialty for the best advice.

Another resource is the Pearls of Wisdom blog. The blog is run by a former professor who writes for the Chronicle of Higher Education, consults with departments, and generally gives spot on, if not blunt, advice about academic life, including the job search.

The job search for PhDs in academia starts with selecting the right school, or right strata of schools. Schools signal a number of things - proxies for rigor, intelligence, competency, and so forth. They are not infallible signals - so all is not lost if this woman goes to a school that is not as well known, but it makes the task easier. It so happens that my doctoral program was top ranked, but it is less well known in my specific area of focus. So I definitely had access to great resources and networks, but in my particular niche, my school was less of a name. But it wasn’t a detriment; on the contrary, I sort of stood out because of my schooling and specialty.

During graduate study, getting noticed as a promising star is another way to advance. I worked on a prominent research project, which took us to a lot of conferences, campuses, and pretty good media exposure. So my name was circulating in some circles. On campus, earning honors and fellowships both keep your fridge stocked and establish you as a leader among your peer group. In my experience, faculty often approached me about research and teaching opportunities because they heard I was “pretty good,” i.e. a competent research and public speaker who wasn’t an asshole or prima donna.

Which leads to the culmination of the degree. Selecting the right dissertation committee will provide great letters of recommendation and makes you a part of an academic bloodline, if you will, that you can rely heavily on after graduation. For example, my graduate school mentor is a legend in sociology and that is an enormous asset to me - I mention his name to sociologists, and that gives me some credibility which usually doesn’t go to scholars in education from folks in sociology. And through his academic genealogy, I am connected to a number of scholars in both mid- and late-career stages. Very helpful to be part of this “family.”

Last, networking at conferences and other means is essential. My experience in my job search reflects this: I was invited to apply to two positions, which means that a member of the search committee has tagged you as a strong candidate. It doesn’t secure you the job - as mhendo and Manda JO have stated, there are a number of safeguards that ensure that jobs aren’t passed along to friends and the like - but it does give you a spotlight. In my case, there was novelty in me wanting to return to my hometown/region, and the reputation I had built as a grad student through research connected me to faculty at the two institutions.

mhendo’s point about the reliance on adjunct and clinical faculty over tenure track faculty at many public (and private) institutions is spot on. We have lost in my six years five full professors. Not one has been replaced with a tenure track scholar - the courses they teach are taught by capable adjunct faculty, but they do not have the ability to chair dissertations, for example, and their expertise typically resides in practical pursuits rather than research design and analysis. These faculty also don’t have “homes” in our department, and therefore are less connected to the goings-on and politics in the department and college.

I know a number of folks who are working at universities as adjunct faculty. For most, it’s much less desirable than a tenure track position, but others who are in specialities that have lucrative professional opportunities, it’s a nice way to supplement their income, have some of the freedom and enjoyment that comes with teaching, but also be at arm’s length from the politics of academic life. They are certainly in the minority, though. My colleagues who have been on the visiting assistant professor or adjunct track have discussed the “second class” nature of their status in the department, low pay, and lack of long-term security. But it works for some.

The fact that your parents are academics suggests that your ignorance of academia may be willful.

Nothing about your parents’ career trajectory contradicts anything that i wrote in my post, and nor does it support any of your silly generalizations.

To get back to the OP - OK, some of my generalization may be outdated, but from what I recall Hippy says it pretty good.

In some fields, most of the top people in academia know each other or about each other by reputation. A lot of the trick to moving up was to get the rigth advisors especially for the PhD; and then their recommendation caried a lot of weight and that got your foot in the door at the desired university. At the time (20, 30, more years ago) the trick was to get in as post-graduate and the recommendations you got from well-connected faculty to take to other universities certainly helped.

My dad joked that part of the problem was that in the zealously politically correct world of academia, the candidates had gotten the right to read the letters of recommendation (eventually? After the fact?) written by faculty and advisors addressed to the place to which they were applying. So you had to be very circumspect, and half the fun was reading between the lines to determine what had NOT been said; ommissions were almost as important as what was included, the classic “damning with faint praise”.

(Not unlike the current business practice that “we do not provide references for ex-employees other than to confirm employment and title”.)

i’d like to think things are better today, I hope they are, but I know even back 30 years ago, fellow students in some arts classes complained that marks seemed more to depend on whether your assignments expressed opinions that matched the tutors’ and prof’s political views, rather than how well you made your argument.

Can you see, upon inspection, how this post differs from the stupid and simplistic generalizations of your first post?

Students always complain about shit like this, mainly because many students simply refuse to believe that they might have received a shitty grade for doing shitty work. The reason they are students in the first place is that, in most cases, they don’t have the experience and the training and the broad reading in the field to know whether or not their arguments are well made. If students were as capable as faculty of producing and evaluating the work, there would be no need for universities in the first place.

^^^^ That link

She just decided to not register for fall classes, in very substantial part due to the link you posted.
Assuming her reasoning has been improved, rather than hindered, by having more knowledge, thank you.

Sociology of Music seems like a pretty specialized area of study that overlaps with a lot of other disciplines. As a layman I’m not seeing a big job market unless you are coming to the table with some pretty heavy duty credentials and accomplishments.

errr… she’s and undergrad? And having decided a PhD in sociology is bad idea, she quit college? Am I misunderstanding?

Mr. Slant, could you explain very slowly and very carefully why the Pearls of Wisdom blog would persuade the woman you know to drop out of college or grad school or whatevever? I assumed that the blog was about why sociology of music was a bad field to go into. In fact, it doesn’t even mention specific fields or subfields of study. It applies equally to all fields. The page of it that I read is about two things. First, it’s about the things that a grad student needs to know when applying for a job as a professor. The advice there is useful and perhaps rather obvious. It’s mostly the same sort of advice you’d give someone finishing an M.B.A. when applying for a job in business. Second, it’s about the stories of several women who went into academia and didn’t like what they were doing. The point of one of the stories is that people at one university are jerks. O.K., but why did that persuade the woman you know to drop out? I don’t have time to read the entire blog, but it appears that it’s about all those things you need to know about how academia works. Yes, it’s complicated and far from being an entirely happy life, but what sort of career is?

Look, I know that other posters can come up with clever responses, but I’m asking Mr. Slant to answer this question. What has this woman decided to do instead of studying sociology of music? Is she going to flip hamburgers at McDonald’s?

She had a 3.5 as an undergrad in a 3rd or 4th tier state school.
She had enrolled in a Master’s program (not sociology) with the sole purpose of getting a good GPA in a graduate program and thence getting into a graduate sociology department that could launch her into an academic career.

I am not quite sure.
I skimmed the first few articles from the link, it seemed like decent writing on a pertinent topic (with a board member’s endorsement) and I sent it to her.
I suspect that some unrealistic expectations about academia were dispelled while she was reading it.

Shortly after graduation with a BA in Soc, she landed a job doing tech support at a local business. Her primary concern was desktop computers in their mixed PC / Mac network.
She’s moved into sysadmin work in the last few months.
It’s not an unpromising career in information technology.
She indicates that her current job feels like she’s getting paid for indulging a hobby.
In most people’s book, any job where you can say that is a definite win.

Oh, gotcha. it was your phrasing. Usually people formally withdraw from grad programs, when you said she “didn’t register for classes” it sounded kind of undergrad-ish. Carry on.

PS - yes, if she feels she’s “cheating” by getting paid for a hobby, she is a darn sight luckier than most.

Sorry for any confusion.

Well, I’m glad it helped her to understand what’s ahead in the academic life. It is a very tough and difficult path to traverse, and I do think many head into an academic career without knowing the pitfalls (like me). However, there are a variety of paths one can take, and knowing that none are currently appealing is helpful.

I’ve always reminded potential graduate students that institutions are going to be in place for many years. Better that you explore the options and really understand what you’re getting into than start a program, then realize at some point that there aren’t the opportunities you expected, or the type of work-life balance you envisioned. There are a lot of disillusioned ABDs and doctoral candidates wandering this earth, wishing that someone had presented the reality of academe in their development.

I think she had the right idea, though. Entering a grad program with the goal of kicking ass and gaining the respect of a valued advisor/professor is the sort of thing that can really boost one’s chances of being admitted to a top tier program. Academia is a ridiculously incestuous field - people are well connected, and if the master’s program has faculty trained as sociologists, they’ll likely have connections to colleagues at great programs. So she should look closely and see where the faculty earned their degrees - and target those who are trained as sociologists for a charm/intense effort offensive. :slight_smile: