# Odonnell beats Castle in Delaware **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 15, 2010, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798 "2010-09-15T02:21:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/181 "2010-10-12T04:27:38Z")
[It just gets better:](http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkpoint-washington/2010/10/does_christine_odonnell_know_s.html) > [@](#): > > In a 2006 debate, Christine O’Donnell, the Republican Senate nominee from Delaware, claimed that she had classified information about China’s plans to take over America. > > The remarks sound like they’re straight out of “Red Dawn,” the upcoming movie about China’s takeover of the United States. Only O’Donnell wasn’t just saying her lines. > > According to an Associated Press report on Monday, the candidate, who lost in her 2006 primary bid for the Senate, said China had a “carefully thought out and strategic plan to take over America.” Responding to an opponent who said that working with China was in U.S. interests, O’Donnell countered: “That doesn’t work,” she said. “There’s much I want to say. I wish I wasn’t privy to some of the classified information that I am privy to.” She then goes on to cast various slurs on China, most of them provably false. But, as O’Donnell has never yet held any public office (despite several campaigns), where does she get classified information? Christine, if you don’t want people thinking you’re a witch, this is not the way to go about it. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/182 "2010-10-12T04:53:14Z")
And the guy she was debating _was of Chinese ancestry!_ ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/183 "2010-10-13T22:38:06Z")
She’s debating Coons this evening, which ought to be good for a laugh. She’s already been discredited, but I hope he delivers the _coup de grace_. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/184 "2010-10-13T22:45:50Z")
> [@newcomer](#): > > > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > > > I dunno, but it sounds like a winner! 🙂 > > But, seriously, every time someone appears on the scene you can be sure that everything from their past and their shoes will be turned and tumbled in the best journalistic tradition of Enquirer. And, worse than that, people will drink it and swallow it to fulfill the individual need of feeling better for another day. All the while, all those who are FOR masturbation and FOR abortion and FOR \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ (fill-in at your pleasure), exactly those who play up your individual dignities are taking your every dime and then some and drop it on you. > > Yes, some are “tea-bagging”, but vast majority of people are getting the “golden shower” and love it. Did this make sense in your head, before you posted it? ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/185 "2010-10-14T00:59:11Z")
Wow. That was a revelation. The woman is a scatterbrain and a true Palin clone. Coons is well-spoken and stuck to the topic at hand. O’Donnell was all over the place. I had to laugh at “lock step and barrel”, though. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/186 "2010-10-14T01:26:16Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > For anyone who hasn’t watched the ad, she’s wearing very dark colored clothing, looks extremely pale, and is standing in front of a black backdrop with what appears might be a bubbling cauldron behind her. So he’s not just being mean to her, she does look like she might be a witch in the ad. Here’s the [other version](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUn2c_PKho). Too much? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/187 "2010-10-14T02:11:41Z")
If someone posts the debate online, I hope a Doper will link it. I really wanted to see this one, but I was at work on the west coast when it happened. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/188 "2010-10-14T02:26:36Z")
[Delaware Senate Debate 10/13/10 Part 1 - Christine O’Donnell & Chris Coons](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKdJi5G-vEA) [Delaware Senate Debate 10/13/10 Part 2 - Christine O’Donnell & Chris Coons](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__iAZtnM_gY) ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/189 "2010-10-14T02:35:20Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > For anyone who hasn’t watched the ad, she’s wearing very dark colored clothing, looks extremely pale, and is standing in front of a black backdrop with what appears might be a bubbling cauldron behind her. So he’s not just being mean to her, she does look like she might be a witch in the ad. Is that her nose, or a false one? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/190 "2010-10-14T02:37:36Z")
thanks **spark240** ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/191 "2010-10-14T02:54:00Z")
I liked how she referred to “letting the tax cuts expire on the so-called rich”. Honey, anyone with that kind of money isn’t so-called rich. They _are_ rich. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/192 "2010-10-14T03:09:36Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I liked how she referred to “letting the tax cuts expire on the so-called rich”. > > Honey, anyone with that kind of money isn’t so-called rich. They _are_ rich. Not compared to the super rich! Hah! -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/193 "2010-10-14T03:14:34Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Wow. That was a revelation. The woman is a scatterbrain and a true Palin clone. Coons is well-spoken and stuck to the topic at hand. O’Donnell was all over the place. I had to laugh at “lock step and barrel”, though. Surprisingly, it appears that this idiom has been around for a while. [Cite](http://eggcorns.lascribe.net/forum/viewtopic.php?id=208) Note that several times the term is used to disparage conservatives: \*“Like their conservative counterparts they expect all Democrats to follow the liberal line, lock, step, and barrel.” “The Bush administration is in lock-step-and barrel with the oil industry.” “That is interesting and it points to how many of the congregants of these megachurches aren’t always lock, step and barrel behind their “spiritual leaders.”\* 😃 So in that context it isn’t surprising that that little hott…uh, I mean it isn’t surprising that O’Donnell picked it up somewhere along the way. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/194 "2010-10-14T03:14:36Z")
She made 2 claims that I’d like checked for fact. I did a little googling, but it’s possible I missed something, since this isn’t a race that I’ve been researching extensively for weeks like the Nevada senate race. 1. She said that unemployment doubled in 2 years under Coons, and when challenged, said she got the stats from the US Dept. of Labor and that they would be up on her website by tomorrow (14 Oct). 2. She said that the $11,000 tax lien from the IRS was gone and that the IRS admitted it was a computer error. I cannot find any evidence online that the IRS made this admission. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/195 "2010-10-14T03:20:30Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > 1. She said that the $11,000 tax lien from the IRS was gone and that the IRS admitted it was a computer error. I cannot find any evidence online that the IRS made this admission. Why would it? When’s the last time you’ve seen an internet posting by the IRS saying that it had screwed up on some taxpayer’s taxes and that they didn’t owe money after all? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/196 "2010-10-14T03:28:49Z")
We fought the Soviets in Afghanistan in the 1980s and 1990s? We did? :smack: How did I miss that? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/197 "2010-10-14T03:30:32Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > 1. She said that the $11,000 tax lien from the IRS was gone and that the IRS admitted it was a computer error. I cannot find any evidence online that the IRS made this admission. > > Why would it? When’s the last time you’ve seen an internet posting by the IRS saying that it had screwed up on some taxpayer’s taxes and that they didn’t owe money after all? She made the claim that the IRS admitted their error. Where? When? To whom? Why can’t I find evidence of it? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/198 "2010-10-14T03:38:11Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > > Why would it? When’s the last time you’ve seen an internet posting by the IRS saying that it had screwed up on some taxpayer’s taxes and that they didn’t owe money after all? > > She made the claim that the IRS admitted their error. Where? When? To whom? Why can’t I find evidence of it? Assuming that she’s telling the truth, they probably acknowledged it during a phone call or by private letter. Plus I would think that a U.S. senatorial candidate baldfacedly lying about IRS actions with regard to her taxes would be a serious enough offense for the IRS to have one of its officials step forward to refute her claims. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/199 "2010-10-14T03:43:58Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > She made the claim that the IRS admitted their error. Where? When? To whom? Why can’t I find evidence of it? > > Assuming that she’s telling the truth, they probably acknowledged it during a phone call or by private letter. > > Plus I would think that a U.S. senatorial candidate baldfacedly lying about IRS actions with regard to her taxes would be a serious enough offense for the IRS to have one of its officials step forward to refute her claims. In other words, you have nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/200 "2010-10-14T03:52:19Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > > [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > > > She made the claim that the IRS admitted their error. Where? When? To whom? Why can’t I find evidence of it? > > Assuming that she’s telling the truth, they probably acknowledged it during a phone call or by private letter. > > Plus I would think that a U.S. senatorial candidate baldfacedly lying about IRS actions with regard to her taxes would be a serious enough offense for the IRS to have one of its officials step forward to refute her claims. Why would you assume she’s telling the truth now [when she’s lied about both the tax lien and her mortgage problems before](http://www.delawaretomorrow.com/christine-odonnell-errors-mistakes-smears-and-thug-politics/)? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798.md?page=11)