# Odonnell beats Castle in Delaware **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 15, 2010, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798 "2010-09-15T02:21:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/101 "2010-09-17T18:02:26Z")
Inviting you to continue this discussion [here.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=578618) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/102 "2010-09-17T18:25:01Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Well there ya go then. Count **Bricker** in the O’Donnell camp. > > As someone who for quite some time was a moderate NE-style Republican, this year is making me very sad. Actually, no. Count Bricker in the “defending against incorrect statements” camp. I’m not at all impressed with her. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/103 "2010-09-17T18:35:55Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > So, in your view, abortion’s legality is simply a settled issue, and a politician that advocates for abortion to be made illegal is not just wrong, and someone who should be voted against, but OBJECTIVELY wrong, literally disqualified for office based on that position. > > Wow. > > Tell me: would you support an amendment to the Constitution that said, “Any person supporting the criminalization of abortion shall be disqualified for any office of the United States or any state?” Well, would you then maintain there is no objective criteria to be had? Want to argue that you can’t prove you actually exist? I mean, if you want to be hyper stringent about it there is nothing wrong with someone seeking an amendment to legalize pedophilia (or pretty much anything really…want to bring slavery back all we need is a new amendment). Afterall that would be working within the system right and if passed that is what the majority wants so we get it. I spelled out some of the horrors that would follow in O’Donnell-land and I find her notions anathema to what this country is about (freedom, liberty, yadda yadda yadda). O’Donnell-land would be a freak show and very unlike this country. I think that objectively makes her a frightening prospect for office and should (I know it doesn’t) disqualify her. People can disagree but some are so far off the reservation as to be beyond compromise with. O’Donnell is one such (there are others to be sure, she’s not alone). ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/104 "2010-09-17T19:31:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@Jas09](#): > > > > Well there ya go then. Count **Bricker** in the O’Donnell camp. > > > > As someone who for quite some time was a moderate NE-style Republican, this year is making me very sad. > > Actually, no. Count Bricker in the “defending against incorrect statements” camp. > > I’m not at all impressed with her. Acknowledged. But why? On every positional issue (save the abortion one, perhaps) you claimed to agree with her. For basically every personal integrity allegation you mounted a defense. If she has no personal integrity issues, and you prefer her stance on policy, why not support her campaign? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/105 "2010-09-17T19:48:40Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > Just saw the clip of her on the Rachel show. She’s a frigid sin-obsessed little god-botherer. She probably shows up at confession and the priest tells her to go get laid already. By her own confession she drank and fornicated her way through college. Now she wants to tell the rest of us how to live. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/106 "2010-09-17T19:49:52Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > Actually, no. Count Bricker in the “defending against incorrect statements” camp. > > > > I’m not at all impressed with her. > > Acknowledged. But why? On every positional issue (save the abortion one, perhaps) you claimed to agree with her. For basically every personal integrity allegation you mounted a defense. > > If she has no personal integrity issues, and you prefer her stance on policy, why not support her campaign? I mounted an initial defense of every personal integrity issue. But **Whack-a-Mole** provided enough additional detail on the lies on the radio that I concede the point. In fact, the transcript he provided was more damning than his summary of the event, with O’Donnell’s reaction on being called out on her misstatement the kicker: she accuses the interviewer of being paid by her opponent. In a state with three counties, I can’t imagine a candidate doesn’t remember whether he or she won or lost which county. I can remember how poorly or well I did on each of the last 18 holes of golf I played. And while the specifics of the foreclosure accusation were wrong, the fact remains that her general financial shakiness is beyond dispute. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/107 "2010-09-17T19:50:14Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > > [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > > > Just saw the clip of her on the Rachel show. She’s a frigid sin-obsessed little god-botherer. She probably shows up at confession and the priest tells her to go get laid already. > > By her own confession she drank and fornicated her way through college. Now she wants to tell the rest of us how to live. Sounds like she’s qualified to! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/108 "2010-09-17T19:50:58Z")
> [@ReticulatingSplines](#): > > Why are the cute ones always loons? They flirt their way to the top. The only thing they’ve got going for them is looks. If they looked plain, they would be nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/109 "2010-09-17T19:52:59Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > > [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > > > Just saw the clip of her on the Rachel show. She’s a frigid sin-obsessed little god-botherer. She probably shows up at confession and the priest tells her to go get laid already. > > By her own confession she drank and fornicated her way through college. Now she wants to tell the rest of us how to live. And? Let’s imagine a woman who is a heroin addict through her college years, supporting herself by prostitution. Then she kicks her drug habit and works with a rehab facility, and goes on speaking tours warning people of the dangers of heroin and prostitution. I don’t imagine you would say of this woman, “By her own confession she shot horse and prostituted her way through college. Now she wants to tell the rest of us how to live,” would you? ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/110 "2010-09-17T19:55:29Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Even if we cut out all spending except interest, SS, medicare, and the military we’d still have a deficit. The vast majority someone points to needed cutbacks in the name of budget balancing, it isn’t in one of the above categories (although with regards to the first one, this is a good time as any to be running up a debt considering the interest rates the government needs to pay are so low!) > > So unless the teabaggers propose cutting SS, medicare, or military spending, they don’t believe in balancing the budget without raising taxes. If I were a candidate I’d ask them which one they want to cut. Cutting taxes, and balancing the budget while maintain “a strong national defense” is a fantasy that has obsessed the Republican Party since 1980. It is the reason we are so badly in debt, and the reason Obama has few options in this economic downturn. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/111 "2010-09-17T20:05:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And while the specifics of the foreclosure accusation were wrong, the fact remains that her general financial shakiness is beyond dispute. Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/9d8465/32.png) [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Deal_Democrat)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/112 "2010-09-17T20:09:20Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > > > By her own confession she drank and fornicated her way through college. Now she wants to tell the rest of us how to live. > > And? > > Let’s imagine a woman who is a heroin addict through her college years, supporting herself by prostitution. > > Then she kicks her drug habit and works with a rehab facility, and goes on speaking tours warning people of the dangers of heroin and prostitution. > > I don’t imagine you would say of this woman, “By her own confession she shot horse and prostituted her way through college. Now she wants to tell the rest of us how to live,” would you? Even you would probably agree that masturbation, and looking at photos of naked ladies are less serious offenses than taking heroin and prostitution. If someone tells me that masturbating and enjoying tasteful photographs of beautiful nudes is morally wrong, that person had better have a clean record. Christine O’Donnell does not strike me as a reformed alcoholic speaking in front of an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. She seems to be a sanctimonious and hypocritical joke. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/113 "2010-09-17T21:30:50Z")
> [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > Christine O’Donnell does not strike me as a reformed alcoholic speaking in front of an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. She seems to be a sanctimonious and hypocritical joke. Look up the word hypocritical. “Sanctimonious,” I agree is a fair description. > [@](#): > > Even you would probably agree that masturbation, and looking at photos of naked ladies are less serious offenses than taking heroin and prostitution. So how serious do the offenses have to be before someone can condemn them? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/114 "2010-09-17T22:05:51Z")
At a certain point, habits that lead to vision impairment become a public health issue. We should consider witholding optometric treatment for chronic offenders. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/115 "2010-09-17T22:35:06Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > > [@New\_Deal\_Democrat](#): > > > > Christine O’Donnell does not strike me as a reformed alcoholic speaking in front of an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting. She seems to be a sanctimonious and hypocritical joke. > > Look up the word hypocritical. > > “Sanctimonious,” I agree is a fair description. > > > [@](#): > > > > Even you would probably agree that masturbation, and looking at photos of naked ladies are less serious offenses than taking heroin and prostitution. > > So how serious do the offenses have to be before someone can condemn them? I would endorse the hypocritical label if I could find a real cite to her living with her boyfriend during her war on wacking period. All I can find are speculations and comments without any hard facts. Does anyone know anything about that? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/116 "2010-09-17T23:35:01Z")
oops ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/117 "2010-09-17T23:36:38Z")
I’m still trying to process that a woman who believes that there are ‘mice with human brains’ actually got elected in a primary for a major seat. That alone, without anything else, without any personal scandals or paranoia or comments on masturbation or the scary people in the bushes or anything else, is enough to make you beg Ashton Kutcher to come out already and tell Castle “You’ve been PUNK’D!” Holy Christmas crackers. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/118 "2010-09-17T23:44:30Z")
Oh, and it’s immoral to lie to Hitler. > [@](#): > > ``` > O'DONNELL: A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you're exaggerating or lying to, because it's not respecting reality. > > MAHER: Quite the opposite, it can be respect. > > COMEDIAN EDDIE IZZARD: What if someone comes to you in the middle of the Second World War and says, 'do you have any Jewish people in your house?' and you do have them. That would be a lie. That would be disrespectful to Hitler.... > > O'DONNELL: I believe if I were in that situation, God would provide a way to do the right thing righteously. I believe that! > > MAHER: God is not there. Hitler's there and you're there. > > O'DONNELL: You never have to practice deception. God always provides a way out. > > ``` True. God always answers our prayers, it’s just that sometimes his answer is “No” and sometimes it’s wildly psychotic. He provided a way out for all the people in that scenario, it’s just that for many the way out was through the smokestacks at the death camps. He works in mysterious ways. (Case in point: a woman who believes there are mouse people but they shouldn’t lie to Hitler got elected in a senate primary.) ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/119 "2010-09-17T23:50:24Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > I’m still trying to process that a woman who believes that there are ‘mice with human brains’ actually got elected in a primary for a major seat. [Alvin Greene for Senate.](http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/08/13/alvin-greene-south-carolina-senate-candidate-indicted-on-obsce/) ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798/120 "2010-09-18T00:07:09Z")
No, that’s a human with a mouse brain. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/odonnell-beats-castle-in-delaware/553798.md?page=7)