# Of course God exists--And I can prove it. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 5, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762 "2012-09-05T17:26:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Che\_G.Anonymous\_Capitalist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Che\_G.Anonymous\_Capitalist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Che_G.Anonymous_Capitalist)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/1 "2012-09-05T17:26:41Z")
No relation without relata. It is self-defeating to say that something does not exist. ”God does not exist” is about God. A statement can be about something only if that something exists. No relation without relata. Therefore, God exists. This proof works for Thor, too. Thanks Parmenides. ---
**Author:** ![Rain\_Soaked](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e19adc/32.png) [@Rain\_Soaked](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rain_Soaked)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/2 "2012-09-05T17:28:35Z")
Thank you. I guess that settles it. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/3 "2012-09-05T17:30:53Z")
Colorless Green Ideas Sleep Furiously ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/4 "2012-09-05T17:31:02Z")
If nobody else responds to this thread, it doesn’t exist! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/5 "2012-09-05T17:31:49Z")
So pink unicorns and invisible wombats also exist. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/6 "2012-09-05T17:33:54Z")
> [@Che\_G.Anonymous\_Capitalist](#): > > This proof works for Thor, too. Uh, yeah, it works for any character that we have a name for. Santa Claus, leprechauns, Spider-Man… ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/7 "2012-09-05T17:35:04Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > So pink unicorns and invisible wombats also exist. Now that you mention them, they do. At least that is what I got from the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/8 "2012-09-05T17:35:18Z")
> [@Che\_G.Anonymous\_Capitalist](#): > > No relation without relata. > > It is self-defeating to say that something does not exist. ”God does not exist” is about God. A statement can be about something only if that something exists. No relation without relata. Therefore, God exists. > > This proof works for Thor, too. > > Thanks Parmenides. Can you say the same thing about the Chupacabra? The Loch Ness monster? We talk about them so they exist? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/9 "2012-09-05T17:36:26Z")
I’m glad we’ve got that settled, but I’m pretty sure this is not what most people are talking about when they discuss whether or not God exists. They’re talking about the actual being, not the concept. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/10 "2012-09-05T17:37:25Z")
This is what Quine called ‘[Plato’s beard](http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_What_There_Is)’. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/11 "2012-09-05T17:38:33Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > Colorless Green Ideas Sleep Furiously Screenplay by Roy G. Biv. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/12 "2012-09-05T17:40:21Z")
> [@Che\_G.Anonymous\_Capitalist](#): > > It is self-defeating to say that something does not exist. ”God does not exist” is about God. A statement can be about something only if that something exists. No relation without relata. Therefore, God exists. Evidence to the contrary doesn’t exist – which means it does. But there’s no such thing a perfectly valid and sound proof that God doesn’t exist; at least, there wasn’t until I just now offered up that statement about one, thereby bringing just such a well-reasoned proof into existence. ---
**Author:** ![getitrite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47774/32.png) [@getitrite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/getitrite)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/13 "2012-09-05T17:40:29Z")
The being, the idea, aren’t they just the same. Omnipresent, all powerful, minds have to widen to accept these ideas, won’t fit in a narrow mind. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/14 "2012-09-05T17:42:26Z")
> [@getitrite](#): > > The being, the idea, aren’t they just the same. Omnipresent, all powerful, minds have to widen to accept these ideas, won’t fit in a narrow mind. Does fit in surprisingly narrow gaps, though. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/15 "2012-09-05T17:48:02Z")
> [@Che\_G.Anonymous\_Capitalist](#): > > Thanks Parmenides. Who, ironically, does _not_ exist. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/16 "2012-09-05T17:50:35Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Evidence to the contrary doesn’t exist – which means it does. But there’s no such thing a perfectly valid and sound proof that God doesn’t exist; at least, there wasn’t until I just now offered up that statement about one, thereby bringing just such a well-reasoned proof into existence. Wow dude. That’s like how Kirk made Landru go up in smoke. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/17 "2012-09-05T17:50:36Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > Uh, yeah, it works for any character that we have a name for. Santa Claus, leprechauns, Spider-Man… Does it work for that drop-dead-gorgeous redhead giving me a blowjob? No. ---
**Author:** ![shiftless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9c0ed/32.png) [@shiftless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shiftless)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/18 "2012-09-05T17:54:50Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > So pink unicorns and invisible wombats also exist. First, someone has to say “pink unicorns and invisible wombats do NOT exist”, thus proving that they DO exist. The absurdity of the OP’s statements does not exist. A tall, frosty mug of beer in my hand does not exist. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/19 "2012-09-05T17:59:10Z")
> [@Che\_G.Anonymous\_Capitalist](#): > > This proof works for Thor, too. And the tooth fairy, and underpants gnomes. Furthermore, it also means that any number of conflicting and contradictory, even logically impossible statements must be true; so the moon is made entirely of green cheese, as well as being made entirely of rocks and minerals, as well as being a hollow metal sphere, as well as being just a painted design on the dome of the sky. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2012, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762/20 "2012-09-05T18:06:34Z")
My Swiss bank account holding three billion dollars doesn’t exist. FUCK YEAH!!! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/of-course-god-exists-and-i-can-prove-it/633762.md?page=2)