# Off to Ukraine, as Nancy Pelosi finds a way for us to lose the midterms even harder **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 2, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856 "2022-05-02T23:05:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/61 "2022-05-04T23:41:15Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m sure she has some purpose, maybe she’s good at fundraising because she’s the interface where the democratic party sucks that big business neoliberal dick This is exactly what she is (or has been) good at and is by far the biggest reason she is where she is today. She’s an extremely hard-working, money-raising machine and the path to modern politics is paved with gold. You can argue with perfectly reasonable justification that she is not the sort of Majority Leader we need in this day and age. But it the thing even her enemies give her credit for and is the explanation for why she hasn’t been ousted. She is savvy in terms of intra-party political maneuvering and she has enormous political capital from the money she has generated for the party. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/62 "2022-05-05T19:38:13Z")
And the FBI should be investigating, too. The problem is that the Bill Barr lackey running the place has said he really doesn’t see a clear connection between the insurrection and Trump’s election loss, and he referred to the entire Stop The Steal movement and election denial as “scattered online chatter”. He made these remarks at a hearing in June 2020. I’m surprised they weren’t reported, but I was watching the hearing and I looked up the transcript after to make sure I didn’t misunderstand. It’s a disgrace ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/63 "2022-05-05T22:32:15Z")
> [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](#): > > Who knows, maybe we can still find yet another way to screw up even worse, and give the Republicans the Senate supermajority they would need to convict on impeachment. Then Biden will be out a day after the House Republicans pick a Speaker, and Harris will go an hour after that. The Republicans will then control everything for decades to come, aided and abetted by their favorite judges. All because Pelosi when to Ukraine? Those are some big dots to connect there. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/64 "2022-05-06T01:20:46Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I’m surprised they weren’t reported, but I was watching the hearing… FWIW, I remember it on the news. PBS. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/65 "2022-05-15T22:59:56Z")
Looks like [Republicans have ruined their mid-term chances](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/14/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-ukraine-visit.html) by showing that they’re more interested in wasting time on international trifles than on serious issues on the homefront. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/66 "2022-05-15T23:19:17Z")
Holy fuck! Are they trying to lose the midterms for the Democrats? Are they trying to lose the midterms for the Republicans? Are they trying to GIVE the midterms to the Democrats?? Or the Republicans? Have the Republicans cleared this with their commander Putin? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2022, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/67 "2022-05-15T23:28:03Z")
> [@Omniscient](#): > > Almost every Democratic policy has a comfortable majority in the public opinion polls. We clearly have the winning hand in terms of policy positions. So we should change direction, and support unpopular policy positions? Damned if we do, damned if we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/68 "2022-05-16T11:10:08Z")
It’s not our policy positions that are strong. It’s how they capitalize on it. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2022, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/69 "2022-05-16T12:07:41Z")
IOKWARDI Obiouvsly 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/70 "2022-05-17T03:58:54Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Any voter pissed off that Pelosi visited with Zelenskyy without bringing a Republican along I don’t think you quite get my point, which was that IMO going to Ukraine suggests lack of attention to the day to day bread and butter issues that the voters face. Whether she included Republicans in the group was mostly irrelevant. But it makes no difference, now that a group of Republican legislators have mounted their own trip to Ukraine. My point has therefore become moot. ETA: I do think that your average drifting-in-the-wind undecided voter, who could go either way, or just not vote at all, _could_ switch their vote over what seems to be a trivial matter. It’s in the nature of being undecided; it takes little to tip the balance either way. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2022, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/71 "2022-05-17T14:01:50Z")
If anything, this is the McConnellites seeking to make clear they are not on the side of the Isolationists. So they must feel that no, paying attention to Ukraine is _not_ something that tips votes adversely. This probably had been planned and set up counting on the passage of the aid bill so they could arrive with it in hand for Zelensky, until Random Paul decided not to play nice. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/72 "2022-05-18T01:14:29Z")
I’m genuinely curious about those who say the Democrats are doing things that will make them lose in certain areas of the country, said areas which happen to be solidly red areas. Where do you think those Democratic Party voters are going to appear from? Certain areas of the country are solidly red, solidly as in 100%. There just aren’t any people there to vote against the Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/73 "2022-05-18T05:58:39Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Certain areas of the country are solidly red, solidly as in 100%. There just aren’t any people there to vote against the Republicans. I just can’t shake the notion that if they could only heed the warning that voting for a Republican is a sin, everything would turn out okay on Election Day. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/74 "2022-05-18T09:50:40Z")
Would that it were the case! The problem is those Republicans are fully indoctrinated and will not change. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/75 "2022-05-18T12:58:20Z")
If Jesus himself descended from the clouds to tell them that, they’d have him up on the cross before election day. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2022, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/76 "2022-05-18T13:49:33Z")
Or deported. ---
**Author:** ![ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chockfullofheadygoodness/32/511_2.png) [@ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChockFullOfHeadyGoodness)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/77 "2022-05-20T23:11:36Z")
Well, yeah. Dude has a Mexican name. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2022, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/78 "2022-05-20T23:35:42Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Certain areas of the country are solidly red, solidly as in 100%. There just aren’t any people there to vote against the Republicans. I don’t think there’s any place that’s more than 80% Republican or so, and that only if you look down at the county level. There are Democrats everywhere. Though it is certainly true that there are some places where Republicans have a strong enough majority that the chances of a Republican winning election are so close to 100% as to not bother about the difference. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2022, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856/79 "2022-05-21T00:15:53Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I don’t think there’s any place that’s more than 80% Republican or so, and that only if you look down at the county level. [Roberts county, Texas](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts_County,_Texas) up in the Panhandle is probably about the most Republican county. But it is not exactly a great metropolis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/off-to-ukraine-as-nancy-pelosi-finds-a-way-for-us-to-lose-the-midterms-even-harder/963856.md?page=3)