# \* \* \* ! Official 2016 US Presidential Election Day Thread ! \* \* \* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947 "2016-11-07T14:05:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 76
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1501 "2016-11-09T06:34:36Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Just the opposite. Democracy is in tatters and dysfunction everywhere — Brexit in the U.K., the National Front in France, etc. But the world still looked to the U.S.A. as a shining hope, evidence that functional democracy was possible. > > Now that dream lies in ruins. Gloom suddenly becomes the norm for all the liberal democracies. Don’t forget Turkey. The founders were cynics. They believed that your average person couldn’t make an informed or intelligent choice about good governance, so they opted for a republican model. And they believed that the people couldn’t make an informed or intelligent choice about who to elect, so they set up the electoral college to do so. But as time has progressed, the electoral college had been forced to bow to the popular vote, politicians are at the mercy of the people, to vote as they demand, and the Senate is no longer elected by the state governments. If, as many desire, the lobby system is removed, we’ll have voted away our final protection against ignorance and braggadocio. The founders, in no uncertain terms, called the lay public idiots. Our leaders can no longer do so, and so the idiots will gradually win. ---
**Author:** ![Zero-syde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Zero-syde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zero-syde)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1502 "2016-11-09T06:35:21Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Nuclear war with whom? Russians give him money and China makes all his cheap shit. There will be no nuclear war. He’ll want to nuke ISIS, but he has no idea where they are and his handlers won’t let him. Well, there will probably be an emboldened Russia paired with a general detente with the USA. Who knows how the rest of NATO will feel or respond. I can’t conjecture, but I wouldn’t think a nuclear war would be more likely there with Trump, but who knows. China is another story. Trump advocates sparking trade wars and interfering with the very beneficial (to China) trade arrangements between countries right at a time when the South China Sea is making every small point of tension a massive one. China’s internal problems (Hong Kong, for one, and its economy for another), coupled with its present foreign relations nightmare, coupled with Trump’s bombastic foreign policy posture further stacked on top of threats of trade war do **not** make for a good situation… Also, China has, historically, been a lot more prepared for nuclear war than we are. Let us never forget that Mao would have happily allowed 9/10ths of the Chinese population to get wiped out, because the remaining 1/10th would vastly outnumber the few survivors elsewhere… and that mindset hasn’t exactly vanished with time. No _politician_ would want it, but have you _listened_ to the Chinese generals? ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1503 "2016-11-09T06:35:21Z")
You finally really did it. You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to Hell!! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1504 "2016-11-09T06:35:42Z")
> [@coremelt](#): > > Fuck that. This is not a landslide in Trump’s favour. If he does win it’s by incredibly narrow margins in a few key states, and he may lose the popular vote. Absolutely every single irregularity should be looked at and Clinton should not concede until that happens. Popular vote is 100% irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1505 "2016-11-09T06:38:58Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > I hope you’re right. > > I was never worried that Bush was going to nuke somebody. I never feared the McCain was going to nuke somebody. I never feared that Romney (had he won) was going to nuke somebody. I fear that there is some small chance that Trump will, at a minimum, give an order to nuke somebody. > > That’s really scary. Yes it is scary that Clinton has brainwashed you so much into believing that ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1506 "2016-11-09T06:39:06Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > I read it as a joke. I didn’t. [Read his other post about Clinton](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19763398&postcount=2), posted tonight. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1507 "2016-11-09T06:40:18Z")
Associated Press has called Pennsylvania for Trump. It’s over. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1508 "2016-11-09T06:40:32Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > Yes it is scary that Clinton has brainwashed you so much into believing that No-Just his own words, and a lifetime of cheap vindictiveness. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1509 "2016-11-09T06:41:35Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > It’s only a democracy if it reflects the popular vote. Well. Then why say goodbye to something that didn’t exist in the US? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1510 "2016-11-09T06:41:59Z")
CNN calls Alaska for Trump but still says Pennsylvania remains too close to call. ---
**Author:** ![coremelt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@coremelt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coremelt)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1511 "2016-11-09T06:42:31Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Popular vote is 100% irrelevant. Not quite, it would a be a justification to appeal results through legal means if any circumstances come up which throw results in any swing state into doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1512 "2016-11-09T06:43:03Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Associated Press has called Pennsylvania for Trump. It’s over. Yup. Sigh at all the ultra-libs here in their liberal bubbles believing Hillary would win **in a landslide** … I told you guys this would happen (and I’ll dig up my posts from months ago saying Trump was going to win, because this is the shithole country that we live in. And no I am **not** at all happy about it). ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1513 "2016-11-09T06:43:22Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > Yes it is scary that Clinton has brainwashed you so much into believing that Uh huh. This may shock you, but I’m not a Clinton supporter. My fears are based solely on what Trump says and does. Time will tell, but a Trump presidency is absolutely terrifying to me as a Canadian. ---
**Author:** ![Absolute](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b2d939/32.png) [@Absolute](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Absolute)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1514 "2016-11-09T06:43:34Z")
Oh, and fuck the Democratic Party and fuck the Clintons for fucking this up. This country elected Barack Hussein Obama twice and yet somehow they managed the spectacular feat of handing the election to Donald Fucking Trump. It wasn’t even close. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1515 "2016-11-09T06:43:33Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Well. Then why say goodbye to something that didn’t exist in the US? Jesus, try to keep up. Do you think you just made some profound revelation? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1516 "2016-11-09T06:44:28Z")
> [@Absolute](#): > > Well, I think the Democrats are going to spend a lot of time over the next 4 years thinking about the Constitution, Separation of Powers, States’ Rights, and the limitations on the power of the Executive Branch… Lol. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1517 "2016-11-09T06:45:39Z")
NYT just called pen for trump ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1518 "2016-11-09T06:47:11Z")
Trump is at 264 now versus Clinton at 215. Only 6 more to go. Barring a miracle, invest in dance schools that teach goosestepping as soon as you can before the rush starts in the morning. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1519 "2016-11-09T06:47:23Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I think _Friends_ is showing on Nickelodeon right now. Maybe I’ll switch to that. That really would make me want to kill myself. “Why does Ross, the largest ‘Friend’, not simply eat the other five?” The post-mortem on this will be fascinating. I think part of the problem is that the Democrats made this primarily an identity politics election and it has come back to bite them. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1520 "2016-11-09T06:47:34Z")
Here’s [the RCP map with Trump at 274](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/live_results/2016_general/president/map.html). Still no call in these states (but it doesn’t matter now): ME NH MI MN AZ AK ETA: NYT called PA for Trump too now: [Live Presidential Forecast – Election Results 2016 – The New York Times](http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947.md?page=75) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947.md?page=77)