# \* \* \* ! Official 2016 US Presidential Election Day Thread ! \* \* \* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947 "2016-11-07T14:05:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 78
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1541 "2016-11-09T07:04:13Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Yup. Sigh at all the ultra-libs here in their liberal bubbles believing Hillary would win **in a landslide** … I told you guys this would happen (and I’ll dig up my posts from months ago saying Trump was going to win, because this is the shithole country that we live in. And no I am **not** at all happy about it). This.☹ ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1542 "2016-11-09T07:04:38Z")
Bloody hell. I’m just up and it’s definitely time for a very stiff cup of tea. ---
**Author:** ![snowmaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e99b99/32.png) [@snowmaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowmaster)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1543 "2016-11-09T07:04:40Z")
RE: Podesta… it’s over and they know it. He’s putting it off because she’s physically or emotionally incapable of appearing tonight. In shock, at least. ---
**Author:** ![drewder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/57b2e6/32.png) [@drewder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewder)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1544 "2016-11-09T07:05:15Z")
Clinton campaign looks like its preparing to challenge. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1545 "2016-11-09T07:05:22Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Does he have some sort of mind control ray? because he is humble and not condescending. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1546 "2016-11-09T07:05:53Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Yup. Paul Krugman nails it: > > What still puzzles me is that those people voted for Obama in 2012. (2008 I can understand better.) And, of course, the significant uptick in Hispanic support for Trump compared to Romney. And the fact that white women (all white women, including those with college degrees!) favored Trump by nine points. Those things, I just can’t process. It’s because Krugman is continuing to make the same arrogant mistake. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1547 "2016-11-09T07:06:02Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > Well Trump and Obama both ran on basically the same platform. They were both for hope and change while leaving what that meant intentionally vague. Oh for fucks sake. Obama ran on a super positive message. Trump ran on “THIS COUNTRY IS FUCKING TERRIBLE. WE LOSE AT EVERYTHING. EVERYONE BEATS US. WE’RE FUCKING HUGE PILES OF SHIT. EVERYONE IS AWFUL. FUCK EVERYTHING. BUT VOTE FOR ME.” Their platforms were nothing alike other than saying “I haven’t been a politician for 30 years” ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1548 "2016-11-09T07:06:16Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Yup. This is where I am. Millenial (33 years old) social worker, completely convinced institutional racism and misogyny are huge problems, totally on board with the ‘‘diversity is strength’’ message, yet completely not okay with the way that message is being delivered these days, and I don’t know what to do. I increasingly feel like an alien in my own tribe, but I sure as shit don’t belong on the right. There is such a thing as the alt-left that is against identity politics (they call it IdPol), though it’s not particularly large. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1549 "2016-11-09T07:07:08Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Maybe a long while. Maybe a lot longer than 4 years. If they get the SCOTUS they want then they can have whatever voter suppression laws they want and can maintain power indefinitely. > > Meanwhile the planet will get hotter and hotter as the anti-science crowd has their way. Maybe it’s time to see if the world can take care of itself without the US. Russia, China and Europe are pretty significant. Maybe they can handle it. They’re smart. The US can descend into a post apocalyptic little house on the prairie survivalism so many Americans dream about. It’s late. I’m tired. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1550 "2016-11-09T07:08:15Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > This is well observed. (My hero Bill Maher often expresses similar sentiments.) > > No, this is on the people who voted for Trump. I don’t care if Hillary was a bad candidate (and she wasn’t \*that \*bad, IMO–but let’s say for argument she was). The election was actually \*very \*close (Hillary’s likely to win the popular vote)–it’s just that it shouldn’t have been close. People should have had enough sense to know you don’t elect Donald Trump president, even if you don’t think Hillary Clinton is all that great. > > I agree: it’s pretty scary. I started a thread in here that got inexplicably moved to the Pit, about whether some sort of coup d’etat might be possible to keep Trump from taking office. Now that “the shit is real”, I don’t think this possibility can be completely dismissed. An existential threat, even a low-probability one, has to be taken as more serious than fealty to some rules written by guys in powdered wigs centuries ago. That’s advocating treason is it not? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1551 "2016-11-09T07:08:32Z")
> [@drewder](#): > > Clinton campaign looks like its preparing to challenge. Oh the irony. ---
**Author:** ![LC\_Strawhouse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e19adc/32.png) [@LC\_Strawhouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LC_Strawhouse)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1552 "2016-11-09T07:09:51Z")
I’m a skeptical centrist, but I’ll be “that guy” and give him a golf clap. He did a good job outfoxing everyone and winning it fair and square. Perhaps we can hope that foreshadows some positive abilities as President? (LBJ minus the Vietnam War?) ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1553 "2016-11-09T07:10:22Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > because he is humble and not condescending. Are we talking about the same Donald Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1554 "2016-11-09T07:11:19Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Spice Weasel and/or asterion, could you explain what you mean? I am genuinely curious. I mean I believe that white privilege is a thing, but try explaining white privilege to a white person who feeds a family of four on $20k a year. It makes no logical, strategic sense to focus on a demographic enemy (‘‘white people’’) because they are defacto not gonna give a shit what you have to say if the first thing out of your mouth is that they are racist. My MSW required me to take an entire year-long sequence on the black-white binary, so I understand, fundamentally, what ‘privilege’ means but most people are not interested in a sophisticated academic discussion about the racist history of social policy in the U.S. All they are hearing is ‘‘white = bad.’’ Repeat for feminism. Now I, a woman, have been personally shut down in feminist circles as ‘‘tone policing’’ because I think it’s irrational to hate/fear all men. When people try to slap me down with the ‘if only you had lived what I have’ thing, I inconvenience them by mentioning that I was sexually abused by two stepfathers, and I _gasp_ _still_ don’t hate and fear men. God, what a dumbshit message to send to men you need as allies – that you see them as the enemy. God, what a cowardly fucking move as any advocate. I take this especially personally because 1) I fucking LOVE the men in my life, like would take a bullet for them _love_ and because 2) it makes me look bad as a self-identified feminist. Even if it were warranted – and I don’t believe it is – it’s just stupid, stupid strategy for implementing change. In fact I’m beginning to question the entire assumption underlying the idea that civil disobedience or rioting have some kind of positive impact on social change. Our surveys bear it out – after Ferguson, more white people were convinced than ever that institutional racism is not a thing. [QUOTE=Rigs] Yup. Sigh at all the ultra-libs here in their liberal bubbles believing Hillary would win in a landslide… I told you guys this would happen (and I’ll dig up my posts from months ago saying Trump was going to win, because this is the shithole country that we live in. And no I am not at all happy about it). [/QUOTE] Look. I do my best not to live in an ultra-liberal bubble. I’ve been following the polling with a full understanding, as explicitly explained by Nate Silver, that they may not be an accurate reflection of the electorate. I’ve watched him get slammed down by HuffPo pundits who had no idea what in the hell they were talking about. And I’m _still_ rather surprised by the outcome here. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1555 "2016-11-09T07:11:54Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Well, it’s gonna be a long, dark four years. > [@Quartz](#): > > Bloody hell. I’m just up and it’s definitely time for a very stiff cup of tea. How’s Sturgeon holding up? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1556 "2016-11-09T07:12:32Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > because he is humble and not condescending. Who. The FUCK. Are you _talking_ about?? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1557 "2016-11-09T07:13:20Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Maybe it’s time to see if the world can take care of itself without the US. > > Russia, China and Europe are pretty significant. Maybe they can handle it. They’re smart. The US can descend into a post apocalyptic little house on the prairie survivalism so many Americans dream about. > > It’s late. I’m tired. ☹ Yeah, I was heartened by China’s reaction to the Trump suggestion of withdrawing from that climate change treaty. Honestly, I’m not sure how much America could’ve done anyway with a Republican Congress. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1558 "2016-11-09T07:13:37Z")
> [@truthSeeker2](#): > > All trump haters, don’t be sad. you will start liking him in a few days. I actually did like Trump _when he was (relatively) harmless to the country_ and just did his little catchphrase “You’re fired!” on The Apprentice. But fucking **President Trump**? No, no, no. These are unequivocally the End of Days. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1559 "2016-11-09T07:15:06Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Calling people you disagree with Hitler, racist, the Devil, Beezelbub, sexist, homophobic etc just for supporting a different candidate wasn’t going to convert them. A lot of people have said this in this thread but I don’t really understand it. It reminds me of my rather stubborn son when he was younger. He would be not doing something that needed to be done (like putting on his shoes before school) but if you tried to push him he’d then say he was refusing to put his shoes on because he refused to be pushed around. But he wasn’t putting his shoes on anyway… In other words, Dem disdain for people who planned to vote for Trump hardly mattered since they were lost anyway. And undecided voters weren’t being called names because they weren’t Trump supporters. Unless they decided they were going to be Trump supporters. In which case they were lost anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Shagnasty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9dc877/32.png) [@Shagnasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shagnasty)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1560 "2016-11-09T07:15:14Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I mean I believe that white privilege is a thing, but try explaining white privilege to a white person who feeds a family of four on $20k a year. It makes no logical, strategic sense to focus on a demographic enemy (‘‘white people’’) because they are defacto not gonna give a shit what you have to say if the first thing out of your mouth is that they are racist. My MSW required me to take an entire year-long sequence on the black-white binary, so I understand, fundamentally, what ‘privilege’ means but most people are not interested in a sophisticated academic discussion about the racist history of social policy in the U.S. All they are hearing is ‘‘white = bad.’’ > > Repeat for feminism. Now I, a woman, have been personally shut down in feminist circles as ‘‘tone policing’’ because I think it’s irrational to hate/fear all men. When people try to slap me down with the ‘if only you had lived what I have’ thing, I inconvenience them by mentioning that I was sexually abused by two stepfathers, and I _gasp_ _still_ don’t hate and fear men. God, what a dumbshit message to send to men you need as allies – that you see them as the enemy. God, what a cowardly fucking move as any advocate. I take this especially personally because 1) I fucking LOVE the men in my life, like would take a bullet for them _love_ and because 2) it makes me look bad. > > Even if it were warranted – and I don’t believe it is – it’s just stupid, stupid strategy for implementing change. In fact I’m beginning to question the entire assumption underlying the idea that civil disobedience or rioting have some kind of positive impact on social change. Our surveys bear it out – after Ferguson, more white people were convinced than ever that institutional racism is not a thing. I have said it before and I will say it again. You are a great example of a really good liberal. Many of the rest of them could learn from your understanding and approach. There wouldn’t be much conflict if most self-professed liberals were made in your mold. Unfortunately, many see it as a zero-sum combat sport and that will almost never wins in the long-term. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947.md?page=77) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947.md?page=79)