# \* \* \* ! Official 2016 US Presidential Election Day Thread ! \* \* \* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947 "2016-11-07T14:05:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 85
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1681 "2016-11-09T14:05:45Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I’m not seeing your point. **Bricker** asked for a cite for: > > The cite I provided states that Pence wanted to use public funds to pay for conversion therapy. I conceded that there was no mention of “conversion camps,” but - as Politifact pointed out - Pence did advocate using public funds to pay for conversion therapy. > > Where is the disconnect? > [@John\_Mace](#): > > The “thrown in” part. BTW, you really can’t separate the “thrown in” part from the “conversions camps” part. The obvious image was of the government rounding up gays and throwing them into concentration camps to undergo conversion therapy. It’s that kind of hyperbole that should have no place on this MB, no matter which side it’s coming from. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1682 "2016-11-09T14:09:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The “thrown in” part. Fair enough. I thought his “thrown in” comment was obvious hyperbole. However, I’d venture to say that the majority of people who undergo conversion therapy are doing so against their will. But that’s speculation on my part. ---
**Author:** ![Savannah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Savannah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Savannah)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1683 "2016-11-09T14:13:40Z")
Oh, my god. I went to bed last night before it was really settled. Had to get up for work. I thought, maybe, just maybe… Oh, my god. What have you\* done? Elected a piece of shit, _knowing_ he’s a piece of shit, and doing it anyway? Oh, my god. If only it didn’t affect us all… I just felt sick to my stomach yesterday, off and on. That gut feeling that said people were lying in the polls and were going to vote another way in private. Oh, my god. \*Trump voters. Not everyone, of course. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1684 "2016-11-09T14:19:44Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > I have always been proud of my country, always thought I lived in the greatest country in the world. You could call that patriotism, or you could call it arrogance. This morning, I am truly disgusted, sick to my stomach, ashamed. The fact that half of the voting public of this country could elect this horrible person sickens me. A person endorsed by the KKK, whose racist beliefs and values will likely set civil rights in this country back 50 years. > > I think I may kill myself. There is no where to go and no where to hide. :mad:☹ Be careful, okay? I am heartsick. I am also trying to listen to folks like **Bricker** who point out how we missed just how angry some voters were. I am stunned that they could look past Trump’s moral, racist awfulness. But clearly many, many did because they were so upset with the thought of Hillary being in power. We saw her as a first Woman President. Clearly, a majority of voters saw her very differently - as a continuation of things they hated enough to look past Trump’s dramatic shortcomings. ---
**Author:** ![dominic65](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@dominic65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dominic65)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1685 "2016-11-09T14:28:41Z")
I’m looking ahead to 2024, when President Kardashian can come in and sort out this mess. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1686 "2016-11-09T14:30:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > > [@Bricker](#): > > > > Can you find examples in debate here in which I distort the liberal positions like you’ve done here to the opposing views? > > Easily. > What _specifically_ was so odious about Hillary Clinton? That’s not a liberal position – it is my perception of her. It’s not a falsifiable claim. But I can give you specific, articulable reasons I found her odious. To forestall the obvious, they center around her lying, a category in which Trump obviously exceeds her. Still want the list? > [@Acsenray](#): > > And this is a sign of the way that anti-liberal discourse over the past 50 years has affected perception. > > Because as an educated person, there is no good reason for you or anyone else to find her so odious. She is a mainstream, moderate politician whose sole genuine flaw is a lack of charisma. See above. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1687 "2016-11-09T14:31:23Z")
Dear God It’s in your hands now. I suggest an incurable STD. Send it soon. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1688 "2016-11-09T14:33:16Z")
This just in from California: The sun came up today. I know the majority of people in this thread are far less than pleased about the outcome of the election, but it really isn’t the end of the world, r of the country. We had 8 years of President Obama, and that didn’t bring an end to racism in the country; 4 years of President Trump similarly isn’t going to radically change anything. everyone, take a moment and breathe. It’s going to be OK. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1689 "2016-11-09T14:37:10Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > When people describe Obama in terms like this, I really wonder what world they are living in. Obama was for all intents and purposes a moderate Republican president. His policies would be recognizable to Republicans all the way back to Eisenhower. This is the great tragedy. Obama had strong assertive foreign policy and trade policy that should have pleased most on the right. He had a strong centrist economic policy. Hillary would have followed in his footsteps. Movements to the “left”, e.g. legalizing gay rights and marijuana, were largely driven at the state level, not by the President. The idea that Obama was a leftist was largely a fiction constructed by Republican liars. And whatever leftist agenda Obama or Hillary might have, would have had no chance passing Congress anyway. Give 80% of the blame to the right-wing liars. But give some blame to Obama and Hillary for constantly pandering to their liberal base instead of identifying with the sentiments in the flyover states. And save a little blame for Bernie and his Brats who petulantly withheld support to force Hillary to veer leftward into unelectability. An optimist might say that Hillary’s Presidency would have been doomed from the get-go, with the House of Reps possibly starting impeachment hearings the day after her inauguration. With the GOP now in total control, the country can scratch its itch for reactionary misadventure and then move on. Unfortunately the world stage is a very dangerous place, with Russia, China and Middle East powers all probing for U.S. weakness. With an inept hand on the rudder there is a strong risk of irreparable damage. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1690 "2016-11-09T14:37:47Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Fair enough. I thought his “thrown in” comment was obvious hyperbole. However, I’d venture to say that the majority of people who undergo conversion therapy are doing so against their will. But that’s speculation on my part. The entire point of my comment was that this claim was hyperbole and not factual. Pence, in 2000, favored public funding for programs that focused on changing sexual orientation and in the past 16 years has not repudiated this stance. That’s a legitimate criticism. _Pence thinks gay people should be thrown into conversion camps_ is not a legitimate criticism. ---
**Author:** ![ataraxy22](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ataraxy22/32/307_2.png) [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1691 "2016-11-09T14:39:43Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > More importantly he can’t make Healthcare more affordable for the working poor with his plan. He can’t bring back factory jobs. He can’t make America what they want it to be. He’s going to be breathtakingly disappointing to the people who believed in him most. That’s where things get ugly. SURE, When the conned turn on him in sufficient numbers, Congress will happily impeach him and throw him out and get their preferred man (Pence) into the White House. Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1692 "2016-11-09T14:42:59Z")
**Septimus** , you forgot to give Comey his props! ---
**Author:** ![ultimate11](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/49beb7/32.png) [@ultimate11](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultimate11)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1693 "2016-11-09T14:43:52Z")
For the first time in a while I’m awake in the morning and staying awake at this time? Why? Anyways, my family can’t believe this actually happened. Especially my mother, with the Hillary bumper sticker stuck to the wall. Nobody in America expected it to happen. Who said the election is rigged, Donald? EDIT: Maybe as a bonus though, Putin said that Russia now ‘ready and willing’ to restore full relations with the USA. Here’s the [video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-pUHYXRvIk) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1694 "2016-11-09T14:44:13Z")
it is raining in philly. mother nature is not happy that pa went red. i’m a bit stunned. at 3 i had to listen to john finnemore to get 2 hours sleep. i can’t believe steel workers voted for a man that uses chinese steel in his buildings. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1695 "2016-11-09T14:44:38Z")
> [@ataraxy22](#): > > SURE, When the conned turn on him in sufficient numbers, Congress will happily impeach him and throw him out and get their preferred man (Pence) into the White House. > > Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk Only works if the ‘conned’ are paying attention, and notice. If they were capable of that, we’d have different election results. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1696 "2016-11-09T14:48:48Z")
Goodness, this is certainly surprising. I grew up in a red state and survived to tell. Sure, I did not get out without first being subjected to a hate crime for being a “liberal” and having to get a lot of stitches in my head, but survive I did. I don’t even consider myself a liberal. I’m hardly “effete”- heck, put me in a camo jumpsuit and you’d think I were one of “them”. I am wondering if that is what I am going to have to do now. Seriously, when manufacturing jobs don’t come back, what then? When the deficit balloons because the whole system is tilted for the wealthy, what then? I feel like Trump voters voted for a mirage, and now it is inevitable that the mirage will be exposed (except for those with the best powers of denial, which I admit can be considerable on the right). On the one hand, less Mexicans. On the other, people in the worst circumstances now will become poorer and sicker, won’t they? Am I wrong about the consequences of Trump’s policies? ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1697 "2016-11-09T14:49:51Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The Democrats nominated someone that couldn’t beat Donald J. Trump. What were they thinking? > > _sigh_ > > We nominated Donald J. Trump. What were WE thinking??? The instant punditry seems to be focusing on Trump’s appeal, but I think that misses the mark. Any other Republican would have beaten Hillary in a landslide. Any other Democrat would have beaten Trump in a landslide. The Democrat’s mistake was letting Hillary take her turn, when a significant number of Americans absolutely loathe her. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1698 "2016-11-09T15:07:48Z")
The Dow is up a bit. Are the Doom and Gloomsters feeling any better? ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1699 "2016-11-09T15:14:56Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > But give some blame to Obama and Hillary for constantly pandering to their liberal base instead of identifying with the sentiments in the flyover states. This is what I meant, I don’t think Obama is such an uber leftist liberal, but Joe Blow Flyover probably isn’t as interested in transgender restrooms as he is the more pressing global/domestic issues. And I don’t think Trump is qualified to fix a damn thing, FWIW. > [@](#): > > Unfortunately the world stage is a very dangerous place, with Russia, China and Middle East powers all probing for U.S. weakness. With an inept hand on the rudder there is a strong risk of irreparable damage. The US allies in the mideast were more than a little miffed with Obama’s zealous quest to end the sanctions on Iran. Sure, most had an axe to grind with Iran and would have preferred to keep the sanctions in place, but now there’s a new mideast power player that’s at odds with many in the region and with new funds. Again, Bush II lit a huge fire in the mideast and Obama, eager to show that he was no Bush, decided to let it burn. As for Russia, I imagine Putin is fully developing his plans to re-take eastern Europe this morning. I imagine Europe is not thrilled at the results. I think Obama’s scolding little speech to Britain to stay in the EU played a part in the Brexit surprise that, once again, caught the predictive pollsters by surprise. As for “pollster surprise”, 538 or one of the predictive websites had a map showing the anticipated blue shift of my county at +25 blue. Hillary got less than 10% of the vote here, Obama got more than that in 2012. And this is a county with about 20% non-white population. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1700 "2016-11-09T15:16:20Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The Dow is up a bit. Are the Doom and Gloomsters feeling any better? Oh good. For a moment there I thought we were in trouble. ETA: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOqbM03Hf0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geOqbM03Hf0) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947.md?page=84) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947.md?page=86)