# \* \* \* ! Official 2016 US Presidential Election Day Thread ! \* \* \* **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 7, 2016, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947 "2016-11-07T14:05:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 86
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1701 "2016-11-09T15:21:08Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The instant punditry seems to be focusing on Trump’s appeal, but I think that misses the mark. Any other Republican would have beaten Hillary in a landslide. Any other Democrat would have beaten Trump in a landslide. > > The Democrat’s mistake was letting Hillary take her turn, when a significant number of Americans absolutely loathe her. Sorry to say I agree with this. I was watching Joe Biden being interviewed the other night. He was talking about why lower-class Americans feel so un-empowered and angry right now. He nailed it, and he came across as empathetic. He would have wiped the floor with Trump. I’m sure there’s a longer list, but Biden has been on my mind lately. ---
**Author:** ![Pai325](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Pai325](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pai325)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1702 "2016-11-09T15:24:05Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The instant punditry seems to be focusing on Trump’s appeal, but I think that misses the mark. Any other Republican would have beaten Hillary in a landslide. Any other Democrat would have beaten Trump in a landslide. > > The Democrat’s mistake was letting Hillary take her turn, when a significant number of Americans absolutely loathe her. I agree with this totally. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1703 "2016-11-09T15:25:05Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The entire point of my comment was that this claim was hyperbole and not factual. Pence, in 2000, favored public funding for programs that focused on changing sexual orientation and in the past 16 years has not repudiated this stance. That’s a legitimate criticism. > > _Pence thinks gay people should be thrown into conversion camps_ is not a legitimate criticism. How about "Pence supports “Conversion Therapy”, and far too many children have been given over to this ineffective(and possibly dangerous) “treatment” against their will. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1704 "2016-11-09T15:28:04Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > How about "Pence supports “Conversion Therapy”, and far too many children have been given over to this ineffective(and possibly dangerous) “treatment” against their will. Yes, that’s fine. I’d maybe respond to point out that his support was manifested a long time ago, but since he’s never repudiated it you’re certainly entitled to argue he still supports it. In any event, that’s a fair summary. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1705 "2016-11-09T15:29:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > The entire point of my comment was that this claim was hyperbole and not factual. Pence, in 2000, favored public funding for programs that focused on changing sexual orientation and in the past 16 years has not repudiated this stance. That’s a legitimate criticism. > > _Pence thinks gay people should be thrown into conversion camps_ is not a legitimate criticism. Yes, perhaps I should’ve added “by their families” at the end. Either way, I don’t see any reason not to believe he wouldn’t if he could. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1706 "2016-11-09T15:32:09Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The “thrown in” part. Conversion therapy bullshit is almost always used on lgbt teens who are not legally adults and are under the thumb of their homophobic parents. Watch with me, will you as the lgbt teen suicide rate spikes in the next four years. Thanks a lot, republicans. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1707 "2016-11-09T16:15:53Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The Democrat’s mistake was letting Hillary take her turn, when a significant number of Americans absolutely loathe her. True. After 2008 OFA should have focused on grooming a generation of successors to Obama. But, part of the matter was that even after the Obama upset a large part of the leadership were still people who _owed something_ to the Clinton/DLC faction – so for the sake of 2012 it was just “why yes of course Secretary Clinton will have her turn free and clear when he’s done, just help us now.” Beyond the specifics of this candidacy, furthermore the Democratic Party establishment has got to _stop Playing Not To Lose_, that is a terrible strategy except maybe in soccer football. They need to be seen as wanting to give us their best shot to see if it pulls out a win, even if it is something different, unusual. THAT worked in 2008. > [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > Conversion therapy bullshit is almost always used on lgbt teens who are not legally adults and are under the thumb of their homophobic parents. Yeah, that’s the thing: the state may not be the one “throwing” anyone anywhere but empowering parents to so abuse the minors in their custody is constructively just as morally bankrupt and people will see it as a real social threat. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1708 "2016-11-09T16:23:38Z")
I went to bed around 11 last night with a sinking feeling, given the coverage on CNN, then woke up a little before 5 and checked the news. I was horrified to see the result. Donald Trump is fundamentally unsuited to be President and I suspect his administration will be a disaster. I still love my country, and I treasure American democracy, but I can’t help but think that the voters got this badly wrong. We all need to take a deep breath. The United States has survived bad Presidents before, and we will again. This remains a great country and we will get through this. Have courage and don’t lose hope. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1709 "2016-11-09T16:34:07Z")
Have we ever had a con artist in the White house before? I’ve _read_ his books, and every deal he makes is forfeit once he gets what he wants-That _is_ the “art” of his deal. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1710 "2016-11-09T16:41:28Z")
Maybe now that we’ve elected him, he’ll refuse to take office unless they double the salary. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1711 "2016-11-09T16:46:12Z")
So… What happens to the fraud trial that is supposed to start on 11/28? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1712 "2016-11-09T16:47:51Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Maybe now that we’ve elected him, he’ll refuse to take office unless they double the salary. Not gonna happen. I have a feeling he needs to make deals with both Russia and China-that may be the primary reason we will _never_ see those tax returns. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1713 "2016-11-09T17:01:40Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > So… What happens to the fraud trial that is supposed to start on 11/28? Is it a criminal trial, or civil? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1714 "2016-11-09T17:17:51Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The instant punditry seems to be focusing on Trump’s appeal, but I think that misses the mark. Any other Republican would have beaten Hillary in a landslide. Any other Democrat would have beaten Trump in a landslide. > > The Democrat’s mistake was letting Hillary take her turn, when a significant number of Americans absolutely loathe her. They would have loathed Sanders, they will loath Kaine. The Rove hate machine will make sure of that. ---
**Author:** ![irae](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f0a364/32.png) [@irae](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/irae)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1715 "2016-11-09T17:29:33Z")
…then in 2016, on the 78th anniversary of Kristallnacht… ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1716 "2016-11-09T17:41:10Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Have we ever had a con artist in the White house before? I’ve _read_ his books, and every deal he makes is forfeit once he gets what he wants-That _is_ the “art” of his deal. Considering the fact that Trump has screwed over pretty much anyone who trusted him, the best we can hope for is that all his campaign promises were lies calculated to get him the power to exact revenge on everyone who has ever crossed him. His supporters’ lives won’t get any better regardless. Of course, being emboldened to be the assholes they’ve always wanted to be may be enough for them. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1717 "2016-11-09T17:45:15Z")
> [@aurora\_maire](#): > > Considering the fact that Trump has screwed over pretty much anyone who trusted him, the best we can hope for is that all his campaign promises were lies calculated to get him the power to exact revenge on everyone who has ever crossed him. His supporters’ lives won’t get any better regardless. Of course, being emboldened to be the assholes they’ve always wanted to be may be enough for them. What debts did his tax returns hide? What kind of dealing is he willing to do with China and Russia to take care of those debts and/or come out ahead personally? I think we just put the bull in the china shop, then told him he gets paid per piece of broken china. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1718 "2016-11-09T17:47:17Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Is it a criminal trial, or civil? I believe criminal, but maybe not. The fact that information on it is so hard to find is strange to me. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1719 "2016-11-09T17:59:47Z")
Forgive me if this is a repeat. If all Jill Stien Voters, or ~26% of Johnson voters went for Clinton in Wisconsin, it would have gone teh other way Brian ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2016, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947/1720 "2016-11-09T18:32:21Z")
> [@N9IWP](#): > > Forgive me if this is a repeat. If all Jill Stien Voters, or ~26% of Johnson voters went for Clinton in Wisconsin, it would have gone teh other way > > Brian Are you trying to say “third party voters gave the election to Trump”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947.md?page=85) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-2016-us-presidential-election-day-thread/770947.md?page=87)