# OFFICIAL Third Debate 10/19/16 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 19, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995 "2016-10-19T01:00:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/741 "2016-10-20T04:13:02Z")
Nothing humble about this brag (except the monetary aspect): [I’m continuing my run](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19714697&postcount=507) as the Democratic Party political consultant providing the most possible (infinite) bang for the buck. 🙂 You’re welcome, Hillary–not that you probably really needed it, but it won’t hurt. (Why yes, I did slightly dislocate my shoulder from patting myself on the back–thanks for your concern.) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/742 "2016-10-20T04:25:18Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Undocumented immigrants pay more federal income tax than Trump. Hilary should have used that line. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/743 "2016-10-20T04:26:22Z")
I listened to the debate on [**OFFICIAL Third Debate 10/19/16 Thread**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=807812), so I am curious about one thing: lately, I have been hearing “Mosul” pronounced like the first half of a Jewish toast, is that how they were saying it? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/744 "2016-10-20T04:27:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Hilary should have used that line. She did. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/745 "2016-10-20T04:31:12Z")
Am I in the minority in thinking Clinton did better in this debate than in the first two? I liked the way she took the gloves off. Trump held in there for the first 30-40 minutes, but when she started attacking he completely collapsed. I guess it depends on whether people tuned out after 30 minutes or if they stuck through the whole thing. People who watched to the bitter end are unlikely to walk away thinking Trump did well. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/746 "2016-10-20T04:33:45Z")
A lot of his foreign policy talk was absolutely incoherent. That rambling monologue about Mosul was a basket full of WTF. I can’t even evaluate half of his arguments because they make no sense. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/747 "2016-10-20T04:36:52Z")
I was glad to see Trump keep his eye on the prize.(An Emmy) ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/748 "2016-10-20T04:41:59Z")
Flash poll on CNN: Clinton 52-39. Guess I’m not the only one ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/749 "2016-10-20T04:50:07Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > She did. Ah, I was getting the play by play from this thread. Well, it’s brilliant. Anyways, before the left gets smug or giddy Trump v 1.0 sets a dangerous precedent. The nation in all likelihood dodged a dangerously ignorant narcissist as president but his successful nomination and his ability to keep it close in spite of his troglodytesquesness will inspire a Trump v 2.0. Hopefully, civility in politics will start to seem important so that dangerous passions can be deflated. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/750 "2016-10-20T04:55:41Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Flash poll on CNN: Clinton 52-39. Guess I’m not the only one I thought Trump was surprisingly composed, especially at the beginning, but of course, it’s too late for any of that to matter. He seemed more well-prepared than he has been in any previous debate (or speech) but Hillary just went straight for the jugular. I was worried she’d be interpreted as too aggressive. I’m relieved the polls seem to be receiving her well. [QUOTE=octopus] The nation in all likelihood dodged a dangerously ignorant narcissist as president but his successful nomination and his ability to keep it close in spite of his troglodytesquesness will inspire a Trump v 2.0. [/QUOTE] Your concern is valid, but I dunno if I’d call this a close race. From what I’ve been reading, if the votes actually reflect the current polls in November, it will be one of the worst losses in history. I’m hoping Republicans will take a hint and get their collective shit together, but judging by McCain’s comments about blocking any of Hillary’s Supreme Court Nominees, I’m not sure they’ve learned a damned thing. As for how I view this election, it’s a last gasp from a dying breed. They’re getting nasty because they know they’re losing the culture war. Although it’s horrifying that roughly 40% of the electorate supports Trump, the 60% that don’t are sending a pretty clear message. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/751 "2016-10-20T05:09:14Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > … I’m hoping Republicans will take a hint and get their collective shit together, but judging by McCain’s comments about blocking any of Hillary’s Supreme Court Nominees, I’m not sure they’ve learned a damned thing.… I read that he walked that back. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/752 "2016-10-20T05:13:29Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > As for how I view this election, it’s a last gasp from a dying breed. They’re getting nasty because they know they’re losing the culture war. Then I think you may be viewing it incorrectly. After Trump’s defeat, the GOP’s post-mortem will most likely be that Trump was an aberration who was destined to lose AND he was not really a conservative anyway. Had they run a true conservative they’d have won the Presidency (forget about the fact that they had 16 other candidates in the race for the nomination, at least 5 of whom were considered true conservatives, and Trump beat them all), which will allow them to continue down the same trajectory of pandering to evangelicals and the Alt Right while simultaneously ratcheting up the racism and misogyny they are so well-known for. ---
**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/753 "2016-10-20T05:25:34Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > Trumpty Dumpty was a sweaty, incoherent mess. He lost this one. > > The puppet exchange was classic Donald fumbling and is worth re-watching. > > Trump:“No puppet! No puppet. You’re the puppet! No, you’re the puppet.” Gulps water. Adjusts microphone. Makes a weird can-you-believe-this face. All of this happens in 30 seconds. I can’t wait for the remix! The Gregory Brothers are busy tonight! ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/754 "2016-10-20T05:28:07Z")
> [@Onomatopoeia](#): > > Then I think you may be viewing it incorrectly. > > After Trump’s defeat, the GOP’s post-mortem will most likely be that Trump was an aberration who was destined to lose AND he was not really a conservative anyway. Had they run a true conservative they’d have won the Presidency (forget about the fact that they had 16 other candidates in the race for the nomination, at least 5 of whom were considered true conservatives, and Trump beat them all), which will allow them to continue down the same trajectory of pandering to evangelicals and the Alt Right while simultaneously ratcheting up the racism and misogyny they are so well-known for. Sure, if they continue down that road they will sound their own death knell. My point is, I think with each successive time they try that strategy, it will be less and less effective. They seem incapable of learning from past mistakes. Pandering to extremists might energize their base, but it is no longer a winning strategy, because we live in a different country than the one they think we have – one with far more diversity than they are ready to accept. Minorities have _influence_ now, and their support is needed to win elections. The more Republican power melts away, and the more Millenials and our entirely different view of the world influence politics, the more desperate, angry and vitriolic they will get. And this – I hope – will birth a viable libertarian party. I am not by the wildest stretch of the imagination a libertarian, but younger generations of voters are flat-out more socially liberal than their parents, and this will be reflected in liberalism and conservatism alike. ---
**Author:** ![ganthet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de0a6/32.png) [@ganthet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ganthet)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/755 "2016-10-20T05:32:11Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > I read that he walked that back. His spokeswoman “clarified” his comment: > [@](#): > > “Senator McCain believes you can only judge people by their record and Hillary Clinton has a clear record of supporting liberal judicial nominees,” said McCain spokesperson Rachael Dean. “That being said, Senator McCain will, of course, thoroughly examine the record of any Supreme Court nominee put before the Senate and vote for or against that individual based on their qualifications as he has done throughout his career.” He will thoroughly examine the record of any Hillary nominee before reflexively blocking/opposing them. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/756 "2016-10-20T05:47:56Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Among other highlights during the CNN post-debate discussion, Jones vociferously and eloquently attacked Trump for his lack of patriotism (in refusing to express faith in the electoral process). > [@RickJay](#): > > His dumbest moment was refusing to accept the election results, because that’s what’s going to be repeated again and again, and it makes him sound, frankly, like he’s not a patriot. Are liberals unpatriotic when they accuse conservatives of rigging the vote with voter suppression, purging rolls, voter I.D. laws, closing polling and registration stations, or when they say Diebold rigged their machines for Bush in 2004? * * * Finally someone asked Hillary about shooting down Russian planes in her Syrian no fly zone. I’m not sure why anyone should believe she could negotiate with Putin to convince him to give up control of his client state. Someone explain how her answer is at all realistic. I’ve seen people say this was more of a policy debate. How? “The TPP is bad!” isn’t exactly a deep dive. That’s how these debates always ago. No details, no actual plans, just feel good slogans for the masses. If anyone attempts to explain policy people say they’re “off in the weeds” or being a boring nerd like Al Gore. Hillary said again, paraphrasing, America is great because we’re good. They talk to Americans like they’re children. Would’ve been funny if Hillary said of course I’m for future open borders, you economic illiterates. If protectionism is so great why don’t you practice it inside your own country or states? As is, it’s just more fuel for Alex Jones tier NWO conspiracies. The fact Trump can credibly run as a “people’s candidate” says a lot about the effectiveness of pro-business propaganda on the American electorate. It could only be more ridiculous if he were a fat man in a top hat and monocle who always carried around bags with dollar signs on them, like those political cartoons from the 1800s. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/757 "2016-10-20T05:53:14Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Are liberals unpatriotic when they accuse conservatives of rigging the vote with voter suppression, purging rolls, voter I.D. laws, closing polling and registration stations, or when they say Diebold rigged their machines for Bush in 2004? In the case of '04, the actual chairman of Diebold literally, publicly promised to deliver Ohio to Bush more than a year before the election. And, well, do you remember Kerry or the DNC loudly protesting/contesting the outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/758 "2016-10-20T05:57:03Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Are liberals unpatriotic when they accuse conservatives of rigging the vote with voter suppression, purging rolls, voter I.D. laws, closing polling and registration stations, or when they say Diebold rigged their machines for Bush in 2004? Did they not accept the results of any election? Especially before it was run? And when they dispute Republican election policies, they go to court and give evidence. Has Trump given the slightest bit of evidence for this supposed rigging? Has he gone to court? No, he is calling for his supporters to maybe go watch polls well outside their districts. The RNC is under a consent decree for pulling this kind of shit in 1986. It is about to expire. I bet the RNC is not real happy about Trump giving the Dems ammunition to have it extended. Let’s face it - Trump is unAmerican. And so out of touch with reality that the only way he could possibly lose is if other people cheat. My kids got over that stage at 5. What’s his excuse? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/759 "2016-10-20T06:05:46Z")
It just occurred to me that Hillary’s health didn’t feature in the 3rd debate. That’s some good news. I think this was Trump’s best debate performance. He was better prepared and calmer. But it’s too little and too late. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/760 "2016-10-20T06:18:20Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I just stopped listened and started streaming The Kinks are the Village Green Preservation Society. I’m tired of all this! For this election, on the GOP side, the song has to be “Picture Book”. The man has eaten too much sour candy. What a fucking fuckwad. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995.md?page=39)