# OFFICIAL Third Debate 10/19/16 Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 19, 2016, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995 "2016-10-19T01:00:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 44
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/861 "2016-10-20T18:12:56Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Trump looks and sounds physically ill, while Hillary looks and sounds healthy. I wondered if he was drunk. He would turn gray and look like he was going to puke, then get all red and spout nonsense. > [@silenus](#): > > I think we can put Trump solidly in the Chaotic Evil grouping now. I think we can remove “chaotic” and hold at “Evil”. I’ll spend some time today looking up his statements inciting violence, both at the polls and after the election. Between the Russia/hacking and rigged election and this is our last chance to save the country stuff, I’m wondering if he’s crossed the line into treason and sedition anywhere. If Trump encourages his followers to violently contest the results of the election, or say things that a reasonable person would conclude were meant to do so, has he met the legal standard for those crimes? What about the Russia issue? He told them to hack Hillary. They’ve been demonstrated (to the satisfaction of the Intelligence community) to have hacked Hillary and many others for the purposes of interfering in the election. To what extent is Trump criminally culpable? Once I pull some things together, I’ll start a separate thread. I think it’s an interesting topic in its own right. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/862 "2016-10-20T18:21:23Z")
> [@Anny\_Middon](#): > > I’ve been wondering this myself. Hope someone answers. > > If this was an episode of Law & Order, Jack McCoy would have Trump charged with Murder 2 – Depraved Indifference. Funny you mention that, as [there is an SVU episode](http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/law-order-svu-nbc-donald-trump-pull-episode-1201889641/) coming out after the election that addresses a lot of the Trump stuff. The focus may be the sexual harassment, but this other stuff might come up, too. (They delayed it because of the election.) ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/863 "2016-10-20T18:25:57Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Exactly this. Quite simply, Trump is a psychopath whose enormous ego requires him to believe that in any competition in which he is engaged, winning is the only just outcome, and if he doesn’t win, then he must have been cheated. A lifetime of being sucked up to by the sycophantic yes-men with whom he surrounds himself only reinforces that psychopathology. This is what occurred to me partway through the debate. Yes, there are people who are paid to have to listen to him. But does he also have friends who sit there listening to him bloviate as if it’s insightful commentary? My relief when it was over was staggering. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/864 "2016-10-20T18:43:34Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Where exactly does that cross the line into illegal territory? > > When I think of things he’s said to violent supporters at his rallies, it seems obvious to me he’s encouraging violence. But what’s the difference between encouraging and meeting the legal definition of inciting? > > Could some lawyerly folks give some examples of things that have been found to violate that legal standard? He’s unlikely to cross the line in a way blatant enough to justify charges, though I look forward to him going to jail for something related to Trump University. ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/865 "2016-10-20T18:58:55Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Off the top of my head: Foreign Policy, Immigration, Economy, National Debt, Abortion/Women’s Rights, and each candidate’s respective scandals… so, this debate was clearly biased against Trump. Yup, kinda like In-class Quizzes, The Mid-Term, and the Final Test. Trump U probably didn’t offer scaffolded learning, though. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/866 "2016-10-20T19:00:55Z")
Didn’t offer learning, “scaffold” or not. He offered to teach them a lesson about business, and he _did_ teach them a lesson, he gave them the business. Good and _hard_! ---
**Author:** ![Randolph](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Randolph](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Randolph)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/867 "2016-10-20T19:01:22Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Damn this thread is moving fast! It’s 'cause they decided to have just one debate thread this time 'round. This is the 24-Hour-Prior thread - they shoulda spun off a 30-Minutes-Prior thread, and maybe a preemptive 5-Day-Prior Thread, and some kind of Extended-Release-Formula Post-Debate Analysis thread. ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/868 "2016-10-20T19:02:39Z")
I double-dog agree that Trump looked pretty awful. He was sickly pale under his orange veneer. He looked like the dog’s dinner. I loved that Hills wore white and strolled in like the Good Witch of the West. She looks healthy and regal. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/869 "2016-10-20T19:03:03Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Perhaps you did not watch the debate? Trump was not asked to concede last night; he was asked if he would concede if he lost the election. It was a conditional question. You can answer those. Now he’s saying he will concede if he loses the election, but only if there is no questionable result. Which means all results will be questionable, right? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/870 "2016-10-20T19:06:39Z")
No, it means that somebody grabbed him by the lapels and screamed into his face “You can’t say that and get away with it! ALWAYS leave an escape clause!”. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/871 "2016-10-20T19:08:37Z")
Catching up on the fun, DVR’d the debate. Chris Wallthews tossed every right-wing wedge softball question available, any other republican even slightly on their game would have knocked them out of the park. Instead, Donald fumbled them and Hillary tore into them like a kitten with an orange ball of yarn. This is the first time in memory since the Bill era that I’ve seen Hillary in true attack dog mode without sounding canned and scripted. It’s like she’s been hanging out with Obama in his ‘gives no shits anymore’ end days. I hope this Hillary is the real Hillary, though I admit it’s a thin hope. What did Ted Danson whisper to Hillary? It’s a _Lost in Translation_ suspense moment that the world will be talking about for decades! (well, maybe not decades) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/872 "2016-10-20T19:09:14Z")
[New bathroom doors](http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/53/70/61/11504726/3/920x920.jpg) at Trump Towers. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/873 "2016-10-20T19:10:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > No, it means that somebody grabbed him by the lapels and screamed into his face “You can’t say that and get away with it! ALWAYS leave an escape clause!”. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this defeat, psychologically. Ostensibly people in his own campaign have been telling him for months he’s screwing himself over, and they now appear to be abandoning him like rats off the proverbial ship. It’s like he honestly doesn’t seem to believe he’s losing. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/874 "2016-10-20T19:13:55Z")
> [@Jennshark](#): > > I double-dog agree that Trump looked pretty awful. He was sickly pale under his orange veneer. He looked like the dog’s dinner. > > I loved that Hills wore white and strolled in like the Good Witch of the West. She looks healthy and regal. Wait. I thought the good witch is from the east, and the wicked one was from the west? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/875 "2016-10-20T19:15:31Z")
I think Hillary’s white was intentionally a reference to the suffragettes. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/876 "2016-10-20T19:15:50Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I don’t think concessions are legally binding. > > I do have one question- suppose Trump gets whomped but refuses to concede. Would the Secret Service keep protecting him or would they be told to abandon him? They would do as their boss orders, which is Joseph Clancy, an Obama appointee in 2013. He reports to the Secretary of Homeland Security (Jeh Johnson (not a misspelling)), a Cabinet position that is appointed by the President. > **[Director of the United States Secret Service](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_the_United_States_Secret_Service)** > > The director of the United States Secret Service is the head of the United States Secret Service, and is responsible for the day-to-day operations. > The Secret Service is a federal law enforcement agency that is part of the United States Department of Homeland Security. The service is mandated by the U.S. Congress to carry out a unique dual mission: safeguarding the financial and critical infrastructure of the United States, and protecting the nation's leaders. > The director is appointed by, a... ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/877 "2016-10-20T19:16:37Z")
> [@](#): > > …Wait. I thought the good witch is from the east, and the wicked one was from the west? That’s what they _want_ you to think! ---
**Author:** ![Jennshark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Jennshark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jennshark)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/878 "2016-10-20T19:20:06Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Wait. I thought the good witch is from the east, and the wicked one was from the west? East and west were temporarily changed because Las Vegas is in the west. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/879 "2016-10-20T19:23:29Z")
As a general rule, the Secret Service leaves when the candidate concedes - their leaving is many times a harsh reminder of just how quickly things change. However, there is nothing that states if Trump & the GOP contests the election, he isn’t due a detail until such time as he officially loses it, December 19th, 2016. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995/880 "2016-10-20T19:25:15Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Wait. I thought the good witch is from the east, and the wicked one was from the west? In the movie, the wicked witches (sisters) were from the east and west, Glinda the Good Witch was from the North. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995.md?page=43) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/official-third-debate-10-19-16-thread/768995.md?page=45)