# Oh beautiful, beautiful meltdown **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2008, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306 "2008-10-24T04:37:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/81 "2008-10-24T21:43:43Z")
> [@spoke-](#): > > Well, McCain and Palin are _both_ looking like [_this_](http://www.toastalicious.com/images/toastHistory.gif). More like [this.](http://www.mediabistro.com/prnewser/original/Douche.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Spavined\_Gelding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/958977/32.png) [@Spavined\_Gelding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spavined_Gelding)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/82 "2008-10-24T21:55:13Z")
Look out for the _hubris_, boys. While I doubt that the McCain campaign has any more arrows in its quiver, or mud-balls hidden behind its back, things can still go terribly wrong and the forces of ignorance, viciousness and “I’m all right, Jack, screw you,” can conceivably pull this one out of the toilet. I want to believe it’s all over but the gnashing of teeth, but I won’t really believe it until Fox News says so the Tuesday after next. Last week, between bratwursts on the courthouse lawn, I had a chance to visit with our US Senator about the election (we still do stuff like that in Iowa). He says that getting 60+ Democrats in the Senate is not critical. There are, he says, enough fair minded and progressive Republicans that 55 or 57 will do the job and allow the caucus to send Sen Lieberman into the outer darkness. We will see. Fingers crossed. Go vote! ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/83 "2008-10-24T22:16:17Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > I have one small hope - that the Democrats do not get a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. I want them to have to get ONE Republican to agree with them, just to keep things under a little bit of control. I really agree with this. ---
**Author:** ![Rack-a-Bones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rack-a-Bones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rack-a-Bones)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/84 "2008-10-24T22:18:47Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > I really agree with this. I want to jump on this bus and say I agree as well. ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/85 "2008-10-24T22:22:04Z")
> [@Rack-a-Bones](#): > > I want to jump on this bus and say I agree as well. Ahem. No busses for Republicans! This is a limo! Now with the 3 of us we can have Jeeves use the HOV lane as well! Scotch anyone? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/86 "2008-10-24T22:29:49Z")
> [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](#): > > I think not with butter. Yeah-the butter is like lipstick on a pig… ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/87 "2008-10-24T22:31:23Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Ahem. No busses for Republicans! This is a limo! Now with the 3 of us we can have Jeeves use the HOV lane as well! > > Scotch anyone? Uh, “busses” is slang for “kisses.” The vehicle you ride on, and is driven by a certain Doper, would be “buses.” ---
**Author:** ![Rack-a-Bones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rack-a-Bones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rack-a-Bones)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/88 "2008-10-24T22:36:10Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > I really agree with this. > [@Tuckerfan](#): > > Uh, “busses” is slang for “kisses.” The vehicle you ride on, and is driven by a certain Doper, would be “buses.” Um. Don’t fuck with the bus guy. Can I get Jack on the rocks or is that too middle class? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/89 "2008-10-24T22:36:25Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > Scotch anyone? Hey, wow! Maybe there’s some hope for this bipartisan business after all! ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/90 "2008-10-24T22:40:08Z")
> [@Rack-a-Bones](#): > > Um. Don’t fuck with the bus guy. > > Can I get Jack on the rocks or is that too middle class? Once upon a time, the RNC LIKED the middle class. Got a bottle right here. (busses for the bus driver? I need a drink.) ---
**Author:** ![Algher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Algher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algher)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/91 "2008-10-24T22:46:52Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > Hey, wow! Maybe there’s some hope for this bipartisan business after all! The future of our nation requires that we drink together. A lot. Please. ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/92 "2008-10-24T22:54:41Z")
> [@Rack-a-Bones](#): > > As Obama and others have said: let us not get to cocky please. All it will take is one media sound bite to sink us all. > > [Howard Dean] Yeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhh[/HD] yes, let’s remember we’re spectacularly able to fuck things up. I’m taking the day after election off 'cause I figure no matter what the results are, alcohol will be involved. ---
**Author:** ![Rack-a-Bones](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rack-a-Bones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rack-a-Bones)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/93 "2008-10-24T22:54:58Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > The future of our nation requires that we drink together. A lot. Please. [President after a bunch of Johnny Walker] I’m bored. Fuck it…let’s give $700 billion back to ordinary citizens! …or… Lets blow shit up!![/PAABOJW] ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/94 "2008-10-25T02:59:45Z")
> [@sqweels](#): > > Before we can have a viable multi-party system, we need instant runoff voting. Otherwise, one party will exploit the other side’s vote splitting. …or approval voting. Or anything other than plurality voting, AFAIK. > [@Brainglutton](#): > > We don’t need to “freeze out” the “nutcases,” we need to guarantee them representation in Congress – as minority POVs. Pure PR systems give too much power to small squirrely, single-issue parties, who need to be bribed in order to join the wider coalition. Witness Israel and Italy. France may have this problem to a lesser extent. I’m not sure how to work out the optimal super-proportional formula though. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/95 "2008-10-25T04:18:29Z")
> [@fluiddruid](#): > > [QUOTE=Der Trihs] > No, we don’t, and no, we can’t. The Right hasn’t any desire to do so, and one side can’t unilaterally declare cooperation. It takes both sides. The Right isn’t a monolithic mass. There are lots of conservatives that are unhappy with the status quo in the GOP but can’t quite bring themselves to vote Democratic for whatever reason. [/QUOTE] To the extent that’s true ( and the Republicans have historically been known for their lockstep obedience, as opposed to the Democrats ) they don’t matter to my point. THEY aren’t the ones deciding what the Republican Party will and won’t do; it’s the Republican leadership. And as long as the Republican leadership is composed of the kind of people that it is, there’s no point in trying to cooperate with them. And an unhappy Republican voter’s vote puts a Republican in office just as effectively as a happy one. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/96 "2008-10-25T04:22:08Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > The future of our nation requires that we drink together. A lot. Please. The ideals of your organization intrigue me and I wish to buy and wear shirts and hats emblazoned with your slogans. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/97 "2008-10-25T04:47:21Z")
> [@Rack-a-Bones](#): > > [President after a bunch of Johnny Walker] I’m bored. Fuck it…let’s give $700 billion back to ordinary citizens! …or… Lets blow shit up!![/PAABOJW] Or? Both is not an option? ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/98 "2008-10-25T05:51:56Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > The ideals of your organization intrigue me and I wish to buy and wear shirts and hats emblazoned with your slogans. I agree with the man found in his own underpants. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/99 "2008-10-25T05:53:02Z")
> [@Algher](#): > > The future of our nation requires that we drink together. A lot. Please. Cheers! [Homer Simpson]TO ALCOHOL! The cause of, and solution to, all of life’s problems![/Homer Simpson] ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2008, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306/100 "2008-10-25T07:50:53Z")
Weed is better for that sort of thing. You don’t get anything done, true, but you weren’t anyway. Plus, a lot less fistfights and nobody pukes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-beautiful-beautiful-meltdown/469306.md?page=6)