# Oh Cheney's wife, you want some too? FUCK YOU! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2004, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554 "2004-08-12T17:07:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/41 "2004-08-13T05:53:15Z")
> [@John Carter of Mars](#): > > I know it is popular on this message board to pooh-pooh the communist threat. I suppose we’ve evolved, and become so much smarter than every administration from Truman to Reagan that we can now see how foolish they were to waste time countering the moves of a Paper Tiger… It is popular on this message board to critisize the United States, _period!_ We are probably the only country in the entire world who has never been right, or done anything right, about _anything!_ We never have valid reasons for the actions we take, even if they’re among the only choice of lesser evils. We spend none of our wealth trying to help the people of other countries. We do nothing in the right way when it comes to trying influence world events so what’s best for our country and it’s population is what occurs (as every nation on earth does), even if that’s supporting unsavory people over even more unsavory people, or people who become unsavory after we’ve begun to support them. And the world’s population is not saluting “Seig heil,” or singing “Hail to our benevolent Russian dictatorship” because of our strength and wealth and our willingness to send our own sons and daughters to foreign soil to fight and die in their behalf (and yes, our too…so what?). Yep, we just suck ass and that’s all there is to it. :rolleyes: _The entire world_ is better off that the U.S. has existed, but you’d never know it to listen to the blathering know-it-alls that hold forth here. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/42 "2004-08-13T05:57:43Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > It is popular on this message board to critisize the United States, _period!_ We are probably the only country in the entire world who has never been right, or done anything right, about _anything!_ > > . Maybe it’s just that we hold ourselves to an impossibly high standard? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/43 "2004-08-13T06:21:14Z")
It’s one thing to hold ourselves to an impossibly high standard. It’s another to rant and rave (I’m speaking of the board’s posters in general here, not just this thread) and carry on like we’re the most stupid, ineffectual, wrongly-motivated and even evil entity that ever existed on the face of the planet…which is the overall impression I get around here. An impossible standard is by its own definition impossible, so is the only alternative to acheiving the impossible that we as a country are idiotic dolts? I hardly think so. As I said, I think the entire world is much better off today as a result of the U.S.’ existence than it ever would have been without it. This isn’t to say we couldn’t do some things better, but we are a hell of a country, overall probably the best one that ever existed, and I get fed up with all the America-bashing that goes on around here. (I’m speaking generally; this is not aimed at you, **spooje**.) ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/44 "2004-08-13T06:27:08Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > , I think the entire world is much better off today as a result of the U.S.’ existence than it ever would have been without it. This isn’t to say we couldn’t do some things better, but we are a hell of a country, overall probably the best one that ever existed, I agree, wholeheartedly. But we should always view ourselves as a work in progress, always striving to do it that much better, recognize our mistakes and learn from them… ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/45 "2004-08-13T06:30:54Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I agree, wholeheartedly. But we should always view ourselves as a work in progress, always striving to do it that much better, recognize our mistakes and learn from them… No problem agreeing with that. But don’t you think we could accomplish it without all the “America sucks” rhetoric? ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/46 "2004-08-13T06:50:23Z")
BTW, the Daily Show tonight showed Bush using the S word (sensitive) in a similar context to Kerry’s. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/47 "2004-08-13T06:53:18Z")
I think we could do it without the “your side sucks” stuff too. Which is what I think the “America sucks” rhetoric boils down to. I think that when some folks say ‘we’, they really mean ‘those guys on the other side’. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/48 "2004-08-13T06:56:05Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > I think we could do it without the “your side sucks” stuff too. Which is what I think the “America sucks” rhetoric boils down to. I think that when some folks say ‘we’, they really mean ‘those guys on the other side’. Indeed. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/49 "2004-08-13T07:02:31Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > No problem agreeing with that. But don’t you think we could accomplish it without all the “America sucks” rhetoric? The problem is that those of us who are trying to make the United States live up to its ideals invariably get branded as “unAmerican” and “traitors” by those folks who think the United States can do no wrong. :rolleyes: _Examples:_ John Kerry’s anti-Vietnam protests, Michael Moore’s **Fahrenheit 9/11,** Jimmy Carter and the Panama Canal. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/50 "2004-08-13T07:52:35Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > The problem is that those of us who are trying to make the United States live up to its ideals invariably get branded as “unAmerican” and “traitors” by those folks who think the United States can do no wrong. :rolleyes: > > . That is simply the other side of the same coin. I think we are saying that we can do better without that stuff. We seem to have a need to demonize our opponents, rather than seeing them as fellow Americans with different ideas on how best to accomplish our goals. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/51 "2004-08-13T07:54:52Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > The problem is that those of us who are trying to make the United States live up to its ideals invariably get branded as “unAmerican” and “traitors” by those folks who think the United States can do no wrong. :rolleyes: Well, two things come to mind. One, perhaps what you perceive as our thinking America can do no wrong is really more of a way of looking at it that perceives America as a good country trying to do what’s right for itself, and secondarily for the world, and that when things go don’t work out, i.e. El Salvador, Nicaragua, Iran, etc., it’s not because we’re a bunch of arrogant, evil, selfish fuck-ups determined to have our way with the world because we’re bigger and stronger than everyone else, but because our best intentions didn’t work out. When dealing with situations involving people–who are clearly unpredictable creatures–things don’t alway go according to Hoyle. When they don’t, it doesn’t mean we’re assholes; it means things didn’t work out like we hoped. And two, perhaps if a more honest and less vituperative effort were made to correct America’s missteps, it would be better for everyone and those on your side would not get labelled as you mention above. Did you happen to read Liberal’s brilliant parody of Moore’s style, in which he gave MLK the Moore treatment? This could not have shone a brighter light on the dishonesty inherent in Moore’s way of trying to effect change. People such as me recognize this dishonesty and devious intent and it makes us dig in our heels even deeper. We don’t feel positive change will result from a dishonest portrayal of the problems. Regards. (I appreciate your tone. I hope you do mine, as well.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 7:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/52 "2004-08-13T07:58:04Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > That is simply the other side of the same coin. I think we are saying that we can do better without that stuff. We seem to have a need to demonize our opponents, rather than seeing them as fellow Americans with different ideas on how best to accomplish our goals. Well said. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 9:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/53 "2004-08-13T09:39:54Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Man, I hate feeling like I’m the only one who _proactively_\* collects information on the candidates. -You do realize, don’t you **Lib** , that politicians pepper their speeches with pithy one-liners because the electronic media like to broadcast the sexiest 5 second soundbite out of a half-hour lecture on the candidate’s effective, thoughtful, strategic, etc. position on Issue X? > > Both Kerry and Bush have outlined their strategies in more detail where they don’t have time limitations: > > [http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national\_security/terrorism.html](http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/terrorism.html) > > [http://www.georgewbush.com/NationalSecurity/Brief.aspx](http://www.georgewbush.com/NationalSecurity/Brief.aspx) > > - 😃 Yeah, but in the words of Mozart’s caricature, that’s just more of the same, isn’t it? > [@](#): > > Under John Kerry’s leadership, American military operations will be precise and deadly. Why? How? What’s he going to do, cast a spell? Climb into a jet and pilot it himself? What makes his operations any more precise and deadly than other people’s? > [@](#): > > John Kerry and John Edwards will launch a new initiative to prevent the world’s deadliest weapons from falling into the world’s most dangerous hands. They have a plan to secure vulnerable bomb-making materials, prevent the production of new materials for nuclear weapons, and work to end nuclear weapons programs in hostile states like North Korea and Iran. Uh huh. Well, I have a plan to end world hunger, eliminate poverty and disease, and make the French government cooperate with the US. So, why not elect me? I want to know just how he’s going to end nuclear weapons programs in hostile states that won’t even talk to us. Does anyone actually believe that upon his inauguration, North Korea will step forward and say, “We must do as America wishes because now its president is John Kerry”? > [@](#): > > John Kerry and John Edwards will restore the credibility of our intelligence community, strengthen accountability and leadership by creating a true Director of National Intelligence, maximize coordination and integration of resources and information, and transform our intelligence services to deal with today’s threats. More generalities, one of which is prima facie ridiculous. Whether the True Scotsman D of NI will be created is entirely up to Congress, whose willingness to relinquish budgetary control is not exactly legendary. Plus, there’s another of those worthless buzz phrases: “maximize coordination and integration of resources”. I mean, c’mon. > [@](#): > > America will crack down on nations or banks that fail to act against money laundering by strengthening our anti-money laundering laws and imposing tough financial sanctions against violators. Damnation. Here, I’m rather glad not to hear the details. One shudders to think what powers the government might seek above and beyond those given to it by the Patriot [sic] Act. It can already seize assets from anyone, whether or not they are suspected of being a terrorist. > [@](#): > > John Kerry and John Edwards will work with our allies and the international community to stabilize and secure Iraq and Afghanistan to ensure that these newly freed nations and other weak states around the world do not become havens for terrorists. By doing what, stationing military there? Passing UN resolutions? Sending in the white-helmeted peace-keepers? There are, in fact, _dozens_ of countries controlled by dictators, that comprise these “weak states”. What will Kerry do? Wow them all by walking on water and making them docile with a wave of his hand? > [@](#): > > John Kerry and John Edwards will work to win the war of ideas and the future of a young generation with a strategy to break down economic and cultural isolation in Arab and Muslim countries and support local efforts to promote democracy, trade, tolerance, and respect for human rights. The strategy includes a major initiative in public diplomacy and an international effort to improve education. Blah-blah blah-blah-blah. There are no plans here. There are only what you call sexy soundbites — vague references to ideals that are hardly unique to Kerry and Edwards. If this is the kind of “proactive” research you do on candidates, I invite you to do some due diligence on a property I have for sale in a prime location in the sunshine state. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/54 "2004-08-13T10:43:06Z")
**Lib** , A: You’re quoting from the broad outline page on terrorism, not from the specific plans, which are very conveniently linked on the outline page. When Kerry/Edwards cite, for instance, their plan on nuclear proliferation, it’s to fit it into the broad struggle against terrorism. The plan itself is linked on the page. (It’s a website with -pay attention- _more than one page_.) You criticize the lack of detail in Kerry’s soundbite, and then ignore the details offered in favor of a sketch. You and I both know there’s more detail available on the site. But thanks for discussing it with me. Maybe others who are interested will explore both sites to see if I’m bullshitting. B: I do hope others explore _both_ sites, because that can only work to the advantage of my favored candidate. I noticed you provided no quotes from the other source I offered. I dare to believe that’s not because you were overwhelmed by the detail provided by the other guy. C: “…I invite you to do some due diligence on a property I have for sale in a prime location in the sunshine state.” Gosh, is it a bridge? Is there room for another occupant? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/55 "2004-08-13T11:25:16Z")
> [@Xeno](#): > > It’s a website with -pay attention- more than one page. Well, if there was a more detailed page, why didn’t you link me to it? Suppose you asked a specific question about Austrian economics and I gave you [this link](http://www.mises.org/humanaction.asp), and upon your return asked you, “But didn’t you check page 842? There’s more than one page in the book, you know.” All those links (assuming I’ve found the “right” ones) are just more of the same meaningless bullshit. Example: “John Kerry and John Edwards have a plan to transform the world’s most powerful military to better address the modern threats of terrorism and proliferation, while ensuring that we have enough properly trained and equipped troops to meet our enduring strategic and regional missions.” It’s simply maddening. Transform it specifically _how_? What the fuck are our enduring strategic and regional missions? > [@](#): > > I noticed you provided no quotes from the other source I offered. The topic of discussion is Kerry. I have every confidence that Bush is engaged in the same pointless sabre rattling and smoke blowing. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/56 "2004-08-13T12:57:18Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > It’s simply maddening. Transform it specifically _how_? By: > [@](#): > > The Kerry-Edwards plan will: > > Expand America’s Active Duty Forces by 40,000 to relieve the strain on today’s military. > > Double America’s Special Forces Capability and increase other specialized personnel to improve America’s ability to conduct counter-terrorism operations, perform reconnaissance missions and gather intelligence. > > Complete the Process of Technological Transformation by ensuring that our military has the most modern equipment and technology available. > > Transform the National Guard for homeland security by assigning guard units to a standing joint task force that will prepare and execute homeland security strategies with state and federal governments. I know you saw this because you quoted the paragraph right above it. So are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you just stupid? And then at the bottom of that page, there’s a link to [this](http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/national_security/newthreats.html): > [@](#): > > As president, John Kerry will ensure that our military has sufficient troop strength to protect our national security without placing an undue burden on the men and women of our armed forces. He will: > > Add 40,000 Troops To The Active Duty Army To Prevent And Prepare For Other Possible Conflicts (not to increase the overall number of soldiers in Iraq). Currently, eight of the Army’s ten active duty combat divisions are either in Iraq, preparing to go to Iraq, or recently returned from Iraq. While only a third of the Army would typically be deployed at any one time, under current deployment schedules 31 of our 33 active duty combat brigades will have been deployed by the summer of 2004. The Bush administration is relying on temporary solutions including “Stop Loss” orders, recalling the Individual Ready Reserve and extending tours to meet our commitments. These temporary measures have increased the burden on our troops and their families without addressing the underlying reality: we need more troops. > > Streamline Various Large Weapons Programs, emphasizing electronics, advanced sensors and munitions in a “systems of systems” approach to transformation, reducing total expenditures on missile defense, and further reforming the acquisition process, this proposal can be made budget neutral. And there’s even more! > [@](#): > > John Kerry and John Edwards recognize the critical role that the Special Forces and other specialized personnel play in America’s military. Today we rely on these forces more and more to meet the new threats we face. As president, John Kerry’s plan will strengthen our force structure. He will: > > Double The Army’s Special Forces Capability By The End Of His First Term. As part of the 40,000 new troops, John Kerry will double overall Special Forces capabilities in his first four years as president. His plan calls for adding 3,500 active duty and 1,400 reserve Special Forces personnel. This will effectively double the number of Special Forces available to perform overseas operations, including missions with foreign forces such as the anti-Taliban fighters in Afghanistan. The Special Forces units will also by be manned at 115 percent, enabling extended absences for individual long-term language and cultural training. This over-strength will also allow for surge-capacity in times of crisis. > > Add A Special Operations Helicopter Squadron To The Air Force. As president, John Kerry will add a second special operations helicopter squadron to the Air Force, enabling Army forces to better complete their missions. > > Increase Active-Duty and Reserve Civil Affairs Personnel. As president, John Kerry will increase by 1,200 the number of civil affairs personnel - 200 active-duty and 1,000 reserves. Today’s missions are increasingly dependent on civil affairs personnel, including judges, physicians, bankers, health inspectors, fire chiefs, and so forth - the very skills that are needed in post-conflict situations. Active-duty civil affairs personnel provide “quick fix” support until the appropriate specialist teams from the reserves can be activated and deployed. John Kerry’s plan represents a 50 percent increase in active-duty civil affairs personnel, and a 20 percent increase in reserve personnel. > > Increase Active-Duty Psychological Operations Personnel. Today, 70 percent of our psychological operations (PSYOP) personnel are Reservists. As president, John Kerry will add 500 active duty personnel to the 4th PSYOP Group, the only PSYOP Group in the Army. This will round out regionally focused battalions, reduce the burden on Reservists, and provide increased opportunities for language training. Or are these too non-specific for you? Because there’s still a lot more on that page that I don’t feel like quoting for you. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/57 "2004-08-13T13:08:02Z")
Nope, that’s much better Neurotic, thanks. What advantage did these two perceive in burying that sort of information under multiple layers of “maximizing resources” mumbo-jumbo? I mean, people plan their _vacations_ better than that. Oh, let’s go somewhere that will maximize our relaxation resources while minimizing our stress/relaxation ratios! ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/58 "2004-08-13T13:11:06Z")
Well, I agree that they’ve done it in a rather pain in the ass way. I can see the initial breakoff, because if I’m looking for their position on a certain area I don’t want to have to scroll through a bunch of crap to find what I want. But to have the really, really, really specific information as a link at the bottom of the sort-of specific information is just dumb. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/59 "2004-08-13T14:20:33Z")
> [@Starving Artist](#): > > Well, two things come to mind. One, perhaps what you perceive as our thinking America can do no wrong is really more of a way of looking at it that perceives America as a good country trying to do what’s right for itself, and secondarily for the world, and that when things go don’t work out, i.e. El Salvador, Nicaragua, Iran, etc., it’s not because we’re a bunch of arrogant, evil, selfish fuck-ups determined to have our way with the world because we’re bigger and stronger than everyone else, but because our best intentions didn’t work out. When dealing with situations involving people–who are clearly unpredictable creatures–things don’t alway go according to Hoyle. When they don’t, it doesn’t mean we’re assholes; it means things didn’t work out like we hoped. It also means that we should quit fucking around in the national building department, because take a look at history, we _suck rocks_ at it. Saddam was our boy, Osama was our boy, who will be next? My money is on Musharref (sp?) fistfucking us in about 15 or 20 years from now, just like the others. Yeah we had _nothing_ to do with current events. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] ---
**Author:** ![ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/b4bc9f/32.png) [@ZombiesAteMyBrain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZombiesAteMyBrain)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2004, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/60 "2004-08-13T15:12:24Z")
> [@Rune](#): > > And sadly it is true that it is often from the political left that you hear such or similar remarks. Often I’ve read them here on SDMB in regards to the Israel/Palestinian situation (Israel has only herself to blame for terrorists attacks because of settlements/occupation/etc.) > > Any country should continuously evaluate and be critical of its foreign policies and relations. But never ever should this be on account of threats or terrorists attacks. Do you really think that Israel isn’t at fault regarding terrorist attacks? Here’s a link to a ‘what if roles were reversed’ article which gives one pause for thought, at least. [http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/452564.html](http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/452564.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554.md?page=4)