# Oh Cheney's wife, you want some too? FUCK YOU! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 12, 2004, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554 "2004-08-12T17:07:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/81 "2004-08-15T05:49:24Z")
I just think anyone trying to accuse Max Cleland – a triple amputee – of being a “traitor” is seriously ill in the head. As for Coulter… she hasn’t succeeded yet, but nobody’s stopping her from trying, trying, again. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/82 "2004-08-15T06:02:01Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > I just think anyone trying to accuse Max Cleland – a triple amputee – of being a “traitor” is seriously ill in the head. > > . I agree wholeheartedly. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/83 "2004-08-15T13:20:03Z")
It wasn’t Ann Coulter that did the worst of the smear job on Cleland. She helped, but most of it was done by Saxby Chambliss’ campaign. [The smear in question](http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/4264879.htm) It doesn’t directly tie him in with Saddam and Osama, but it still seems like a low blow and it probably didn’t help his reelection chances in 2002. Out of curiosity, are there any more instances like this? I know Cleland is the biggie that everyone brings up, but did anything else like this go on? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/84 "2004-08-15T14:55:46Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > _Who_ here thinks we don’t bear any responisibility for the bed we’re currently sleeping in? Me, for one. At least, not directly. The entire headache of the Middle East and how they feel toward Westerners of any flavor can be laid directly at the doorstep of the Catholic Church,with a big, hearty Fuck You Very Much For Being So Goddam Greedy That You Started The Crusades card from Hallmark. The Middle East people have been carrying that grudge for nearly 1000 years. And it is now biting us in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/85 "2004-08-15T15:24:27Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > At least, not directly. The entire headache of the Middle East and how they feel toward Westerners of any flavor can be laid directly at the doorstep of the Catholic Church,with a big, hearty Fuck You Very Much For Being So Goddam Greedy That You Started The Crusades card from Hallmark. > > The Middle East people have been carrying that grudge for nearly 1000 years. And it is now biting us in the ass. No, not really. They’ve been over it for several hundred years now. Sure, if you go to war with some Arab countries it’s best not to call it a crusade, but your average Arab doesn’t give two craps about the Crusades in comparison with modern colonialism, supporting oppressive regimes, etc., etc. As recently as a little over 50 years ago, the United States was probably the most admired and respected country in Iran. Then we fucked them over. Now they hate us. Besides, the Crusades is a bit more complicated than “the Catholic Church was greedy and evil.” ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/86 "2004-08-15T19:28:32Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > Besides, the Crusades is a bit more complicated than “the Catholic Church was greedy and evil.” > [@Neurotik](#): > > But between the strategic bombing of civilians, torturing of prisoners, shutting down opposition newspapers, appointing terrorist and thug after terrorist and thug to the governing council and just making a general disaster of everything, it makes me doubt that this was about anything except establishing a pliant, puppet government to provide a steady supply of oil (to be exploited by Bush cronies, of course). So the Crusades were complex but Iraq currently is simple. Gotcha, Noam. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/87 "2004-08-15T19:45:30Z")
Ooooh, what a zinger, **Manny**. Or course, like most zingers, its pretty much devoid of substance. Except for the Noam Chomsky slur at the end there, that was classy. Is Iraq a simple situation? No, of course not, never was. But our leaders had a simple solution, didn’t they? Of course, they were solving a problem that didn’t exist, the problem of the dreadful and imminent threat from Saddam. Direct, straight-forward, and wrong. And we are fast approaching another entirely simple choice: raw force or run like hell. Both of those answers are wrong as well, but at least they’re simple. No doubt you have a better solution, **Manny**. Do tell. Astound me. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/88 "2004-08-15T20:45:46Z")
> [@manhattan](#): > > So the Crusades were complex but Iraq currently is simple. Gotcha, Noam. Goddam, you’re a fucking moron. The Crusades were complex as to the reasons why Europe wandered over, as is the United States current involvement in Iraq. The things that the United States is doing wrong in the Middle East is actually very simple, same with the Crusades. Do everyone a favor, grow a brain and learn about what you decide to make cheap little drive-by posts about. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/89 "2004-08-15T20:51:48Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > …and learn about what you decide to make cheap little drive-by posts about… Your high school English teacher is on the ledge, threatening to jump… ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2004, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554/90 "2004-08-15T21:04:30Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Your high school English teacher is on the ledge, threatening to jump… Ha! All we ever did was literature. I blame my lack of grammar, syntax and everything else on her and her cronies. See? It’s not my fault! It can’t be my fault. I blame whitey. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-cheneys-wife-you-want-some-too-fuck-you/259554.md?page=4)