# Oh dear, Jon Snow **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 27, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997 "2017-06-27T17:08:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/1 "2017-06-27T17:08:11Z")
The British journalist Jon Snow [has been accused](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/27/jon-snow-accused-shouting-four-letter-anti-tory-remark-glastonbury/) of saying ‘fuck the Tories’ at the Glastonbury event. > [@](#): > > Mr Snow did not deny making the comments. > > In a statement he said: “After a day at Glastonbury I can honestly say I have no recollection of what was chanted, sung or who I took over 1000 selfies with.” Now, if it’s true, then not only has his future career has been poisoned, though at 69 he’ll likely be retiring soon anyway, but it will cast his prior work in a new light. OTOH if it’s false, then his career will be unfairly tarnished. Mud sticks, alas. ---
**Author:** ![Cyros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a698b9/32.png) [@Cyros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyros)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/2 "2017-06-27T17:30:50Z")
You know nothing, Jon Snow. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/3 "2017-06-27T18:30:35Z")
That Bastard! Exile him, send him off to some frozen hellhole with a fig leaf of an “honorable retirement.” Maybe if he makes something of himself he can try to come back, but odds are he’ll just die there while watching everything he loved back home fall to shit. [sub]And hope and pray he doesn’t come back from the dead and come back home anyway.[/sub] Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/4 "2017-06-27T19:10:04Z")
Little better than a Whig. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/5 "2017-06-27T19:11:06Z")
I like him more now 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/6 "2017-06-27T19:31:29Z")
Fwiw since the BBC’s last political editor was the head of the Young Conservatives nationally I don’t think being avowedly biased is considered that big a deal. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/7 "2017-06-27T20:08:07Z")
> [@Mtgman](#): > > That Bastard! Exile him, send him off to some frozen hellhole Winter is coming. ---
**Author:** ![Nawth\_Chucka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c57346/32.png) [@Nawth\_Chucka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nawth_Chucka)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/8 "2017-06-27T20:38:46Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Fwiw since the BBC’s last political editor was the head of the Young Conservatives nationally I don’t think being avowedly biased is considered that big a deal. When those who are privileged get dinged in any way it feels like oppression; Quartz’s Tory leanings are used to being reinforced by his media and when they’re ATTACKED w/ a four-letter word, well - it must be the end of the utterer’s career. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/9 "2017-06-27T20:45:08Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Fwiw since the BBC’s last political editor was the head of the Young Conservatives nationally I don’t think being avowedly biased is considered that big a deal. I do. I don’t like it on whichever side the bias exists. At least the editor is at one step removed from the camera. I can excuse it more for Channel 4 but not the BBC. Do you remember John Cole? One of Thatcher’s favourite reporters, yet he was very left-wing and only revealed that after his retirement. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/10 "2017-06-27T20:49:40Z")
> [@Nawth\_Chucka](#): > > Quartz’s Tory leanings Wrong! I only voted for them because they were the best chance of defeating the SNP. And my tactical vote turned out well. In 2015 I voted Labour. In 2010 I voted Lib Dem (there was no way I was going to vote for one of Margaret Moran’s cronies). ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/11 "2017-06-27T21:48:15Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I do. I don’t like it on whichever side the bias exists. At least the editor is at one step removed from the camera. I can excuse it more for Channel 4 but not the BBC. Do you remember John Cole? One of Thatcher’s favourite reporters, yet he was very left-wing and only revealed that after his retirement. Nick Robinson was - and still is - in front of the camera a lot. TBF it’s probably pretty much impossible to find a good political journalist who’s uninvolved enough to be neutral. My point is that it’s unlikely that this, if it happened at all, will damage Jon Snow’s career. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/12 "2017-06-27T22:20:41Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I do. I don’t like it on whichever side the bias exists. At least the editor is at one step removed from the camera. In the BBC News hierarchy, Editor is the most senior on-air role. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/13 "2017-06-27T22:24:00Z")
Fuck the Tories? What, all of them? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/14 "2017-06-27T22:45:37Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > Nick Robinson was - and still is - in front of the camera a lot. If he can’t be neutral - and the events of 2010 indicate that he cannot - he shouldn’t be in front of the BBC’s cameras. > [@](#): > > TBF it’s probably pretty much impossible to find a good political journalist who’s uninvolved enough to be neutral. I don’t expect them to be personally neutral; I expect them to put their personal politics behind them and report neutrally and fairly. > [@](#): > > My point is that it’s unlikely that this, if it happened at all, will damage Jon Snow’s career. I hope the allegation is false, proven so, and does indeed not affect his career. ---
**Author:** ![Saltire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saltire/32/553_2.png) [@Saltire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saltire)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/15 "2017-06-27T22:45:48Z")
The main thing I know about Jon Snow is his pop-song-as-news-story segments on The Great Big Fat Quiz of the Year (or Everything, or some decade, etc.) are excellent. Sorry, I’m American. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/16 "2017-06-27T23:05:31Z")
It comes down to punctuation: "Fuck the tories is what dream are made of,” v. “Fuck! The tories is what dream are made of.” ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/17 "2017-06-28T03:22:28Z")
Bastard! ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/18 "2017-06-28T03:24:27Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > It comes down to punctuation: "Fuck the tories is what dream are made of,” v. “Fuck! The tories is what dream are made of.” Sort of like the panda that eats shoots and leaves. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/19 "2017-06-28T13:52:46Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > I don’t expect them to be personally neutral; I expect them to put their personal politics behind them and report neutrally and fairly. Was Snow reporting from Glastonbury at the time he made the alleged remarks? Because if not, this _is_ his personal politics. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997/20 "2017-06-28T14:35:41Z")
In this case putting personal politics behind means keeping your personal opinions to yourself until after you’ve retired. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-jon-snow/789997.md?page=2)