# Oh dear, the violence has started **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [October 16, 2016, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778 "2016-10-16T22:25:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/221 "2016-10-18T19:51:09Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > [Phoenix police investigating a threat left on voicemail at Arizona GOP headquarters.](http://www.cbs5az.com/story/33411278/police-investigating-threat-at-az-gop-headquarters) > > Voicemail. They left a threat on voicemail:smack::smack::smack::smack::smack: I know right? Who leaves a voicemail without texting first? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/222 "2016-10-18T19:56:20Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > There’s been a correction. Well sure, now they’re backtracking. ---
**Author:** ![Iggy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iggy/32/3364_2.png) [@Iggy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Iggy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/223 "2016-10-18T20:34:31Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Republicans claimed that there were filled out absentee voter ballots at that campaign headquarters. > > [That would be a violation of the law.](http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/10/17/breaking-state-level-republicans-busted-hiding-absentee-ballots-to-steal-election-details/) > > Voter fraud, huh? There is a Youtube video of the local GOP chairman showing the burned out office. He mentions sample ballots that were destroyed, about 2500 of them. But that is not the same as completed absentee ballots. Perhaps this is where the confusion arises. Sample ballots are put out by elections offices, blank of course, to hopefully help inform voters and speed up the voting process. But sample ballots are also put out by partisan organizations showing which candidates their organization prefers. Nothing illegal about it. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/224 "2016-10-18T20:39:12Z")
Related solely for Shits and Giggles: While reading about this incident on the most alt-right, Zero Hedge Breitbart-oriented forum I know, one of the hardcore participants in the discussion said he “hoped it wasn’t a Trump or GOP supporter. The wording of the spray painted message just doesn’t sit right.” It did make me laugh. Bitterly, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/225 "2016-10-18T20:46:01Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Related solely for Shits and Giggles: While reading about this incident on the most alt-right, Zero Hedge Breitbart-oriented forum I know, one of the hardcore participants in the discussion said he "hoped it wasn’t a Trump or GOP supporter. The wording of the spray painted message just doesn’t sit right. … But aside from disliking the wording, he apparently took for granted that it might have been a false flag operation. Nice. (No wonder your laughter was bitter.) (The wording definitely _was_ weird: “get out of town, or else”…who, other than someone who’s been in suspended animation for fifty years, would use such an old-timey threat?) ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/226 "2016-10-18T21:12:19Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > It is always funny to watch liberals wet themselves over the supposed calls to violence from the right when, if you actually look at recent history, the liberals are the ones burning shit, breaking things and shooting people for political reasons. [The GOP \*nominee \*himself](http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/10/us/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton.html): > [@](#): > > “If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks,” Mr. Trump said, as the crowd began to boo. He quickly added: “Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2016, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/227 "2016-10-18T21:13:23Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Yeah, Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolfs were such liberals… Musta been secret Muslims. ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/228 "2016-10-19T00:19:15Z")
Well, here’s some interesting additional info. Apparently the same night the Orange County Republican Party office was firebombed, the Orange County Democratic Party Office had “Death to Capitalism” spray-painted on its building in Carrboro. Not getting much coverage since no violence involved, but interesting coincidence, no? > **[Orange County GOP Office Firebombed, Democratic HQ Spray-Painted](https://www.wunc.org/politics/2016-10-16/orange-county-gop-office-firebombed-democratic-hq-spray-painted)** > > Updated 10:26 a.m., October 18, 2016 The Orange County Democratic Party says someone spray-painted its headquarters in Carrboro on the same day someone… [Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/ocdemparty/?hc_ref=PAGES_TIMELINE&fref=nf) (this is to the Orange County Democratic Party Facebook page, which has a post mentioning the vandalism). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/229 "2016-10-19T00:33:20Z")
The one nagging coincidence is the stilted and inauthentic tone of the graffiti. **Aspenglow** ’s correspondent from the outermost edge of batshit had, apparently, a similar reaction that many of us do. “Down with Capitalism”? Seriously? The Trotskyists have turned against Trump? ---
**Author:** ![crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@crucible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crucible)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/230 "2016-10-19T10:31:19Z")
On the surface, it seems to me that if one party controls the Board of Elections in any given county, voter fraud using absentee ballots would be facilitated, if not just plain easy. Trump’s drumbeat that his opponents have ‘rigged’ the election promotes a number of actions, encouraging Republicans to not only prevent voter fraud by the other side through whatever tactics are available, but also, to engage in fraud on behalf of the Trump and Republican candidates. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/231 "2016-10-19T10:37:35Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > “Down with Capitalism”? Seriously? The Trotskyists have turned against Trump? “Down with Capitalism” sounds like something a Bernie supporter would write. Or perhaps more accurately, something a Bernie-supporter-imitator would write. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/232 "2016-10-19T11:24:28Z")
As an outside observer (Canadian) there is an awful tone of dishonesty and uncivility to this election, led by Trump, that obviously can’t be directly attributed to the firebombing. But I think that an “all bets are off” mindset is being approached, if not crossed. And that is scary. We, in the west, generally choose to limit the negative behaviours in our discourse but I fear that, given the right circumstances, that could go out the window and I fear that that could happen in the US. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/233 "2016-10-19T13:25:49Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > The one nagging coincidence is the stilted and inauthentic tone of the graffiti. **Aspenglow** ’s correspondent from the outermost edge of batshit had, apparently, a similar reaction that many of us do. > > “Down with Capitalism”? Seriously? The Trotskyists have turned against Trump? > [@dtilque](#): > > “Down with Capitalism” sounds like something a Bernie supporter would write. Or perhaps more accurately, something a Bernie-supporter-imitator would write. The “Down with Capitalism” graffiti was actually “Death to Capitalism”. And was painted on the Democratic party’s HQ, not the Republican’s. As hard as it is to make sense of any of this election, it makes even less sense when we garble the few actual facts of the case. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/234 "2016-10-19T14:36:06Z")
“Death to Capitalism” is _worse_ in terms of being stilted and artificial. And thanks, but I was already pretty sure about where it happened, because there was one in one party, and one in the other, and, basically, there are just two. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/235 "2016-10-19T14:51:34Z")
I thought capitalism was heartless and soulless, so how can it be killed? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/236 "2016-10-19T16:25:21Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > In 2 years his name and reputation may stand not far from Guy Fawkes in Britain. I suspect that in 2 years, Trump the Frog (or something like it) will be the new Pepe the Frog. But possibly dual-purposed as a symbol of ridicule, as you mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2016, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778/237 "2016-10-19T16:54:11Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > I thought capitalism was heartless and soulless, so how can it be killed? 😃 Perhaps like a vampire: with silver bullets or a stake through the heart. Preferably administered by a virgin beauty pageant contestant molested-but-not-quite-raped by a Trump? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-dear-the-violence-has-started/768778.md?page=11)