# Oh, fuck off, Boris Johnson.

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**Created:** [August 28, 2019, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-fuck-off-boris-johnson/839355 "2019-08-28T11:53:34Z")\
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**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\
**Post date:** [September 3, 2019, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-fuck-off-boris-johnson/839355/111 "2019-09-03T12:36:07Z")

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> Perhaps you could just provide a link or two that demonstrates Scotland contributes more to the UK than it benefits from it, and we’ll leave it at that

Splendid. Start with a non sequitur fallacy, then switch to a move the goalposts fallacy. You’re a special one, aren’t you? How about we go with your original claim that “the 2014 Scottish independence referendum showed that Scotland needs England more than vice versa” and then have a look at some of the arguments made by Westminster politicians in the buildup to the referendum:

Boris Johnson\*

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> We are told that if Scotland votes to cut its ties with England, that will be a disaster on a par with the loss of the American colonies in 1776; but it is far worse than that.

David Cameron\*\*

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> It would be the end of a country that launched the Enlightenment, that abolished slavery, that drove the industrial revolution, that defeated fascism. the end of a country that people around the world respect and admire the end of a country that all of us call home.
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> And we built this home together.
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> It’s only become Great Britain because of the greatness of Scotland

It takes a rare mind to look at pleading like the above from the Better Together movement, along with some of the claims that have since proven to be absolute fiction (Scotland had to stay in the UK or it would drop out of the EU, etc) and then conclude that by voting to stay in the union the Scots showed they need the English more than vice versa. All the referendum proved was that a slim majority were happier with the status quo of the UK then going it alone. It’s funny to think that the lunacy of brexit has now pushed the majority of Scots to think it’s time to move on\*\*\*.

Now, if you really do want to carry this on as a topic, how about you start a thread on it rather than try to continue a hijack?

\*[Scottish independence: Decapitate Britain, and we kill off the greatest political union ever](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11080893/Scottish-independence-Decapitate-Britain-and-we-kill-off-the-greatest-political-union-ever.html)  
\*\*[Scottish independence: Full text of David Cameron's 'no going back' speech | The Independent | The Independent](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-full-text-of-david-camerons-no-going-back-speech-9735902.html)  
\*\*\*[A majority of Scots now support independence? Well, duh! | Vonny Leclerc | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/07/scottish-independence-referendum-brexit-shambles)

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