# Oh give me a fucking break. Duhbya's military records. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2004, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622 "2004-07-24T01:48:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/21 "2004-07-24T03:34:26Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > I don’t care how many damn lawsuits you file, you’re not getting around these provisions. What we need is a man on the inside, someone with **big fucking socks** to take it to the people… ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/22 "2004-07-24T04:56:30Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > BTW, what military records of mine do you think you thing you have a right to read, **Squink**? Are you the President of these here United States Mr. Moto? Have you claimed to have opened all relevant service records regarding your national guard days to examination? If you can answer no to both of these questions, I want nothing from you. If you must answer yes to both of these questions, I want to see your service records, pay stubs and and all. That’s what you said you’d show me. Simple isn’t it? I shouldn’t have to file a lawsuit to get you to do what you have said you would do. Or are you not a man of your word? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/23 "2004-07-24T05:25:05Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > Have you claimed to have opened all relevant service records regarding your national guard days to examination? So, what, you’re saying Dubya lied? Big deal. When come back, bring news. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/24 "2004-07-24T11:29:43Z")
> [@spooje](#): > > How is any more obvious now? The records _shed no new light_?? I don’t understand this. According to the link in the OP, > [@](#): > > Like records released earlier by the White House, the newly released computerized payroll records **show no indication Bush drilled with the Alabama unit during July, August and September of 1972**. Pay records covering all of 1972, released previously, **also indicated no guard service for Bush during those three months.** It may not “shed light” but isn’t it a confirmation that the man wasn’t paid? And if the man wasn’t paid, then he probably wasn’t there? Forgive me, I really haven’t been following this story. It’s always been kinda boring to me, though I always admire others who keep on top of things. What am I missing? Doesn’t this damn the man even more? I mean, weren’t they looking for records to see if he was paid and if he was paid it would be in the records and that would prove he was there? So now we have 2 different sets of records that show Bush wasn’t paid. Yes? I’m so confused. ---
**Author:** ![KGS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/90ced4/32.png) [@KGS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KGS)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/25 "2004-07-24T11:38:02Z")
Ignorance is Strength. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. All together now… ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/26 "2004-07-24T11:58:51Z")
There’s not much Bush can do to make you happy, is there Reeder? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/27 "2004-07-24T12:14:38Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > There’s not much Bush can do to make you happy, is there Reeder? He could refuse the nomination, I bet that would make **Reeder** happy. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/28 "2004-07-24T12:22:18Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > He could refuse the nomination, I bet that would make **Reeder** happy. I don’t know about Reeder, but it’d make me happy! I wouldn’t imagine he’d do a Brock between now and then though. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/29 "2004-07-24T12:36:56Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > There’s not much Bush can do to make you happy, is there Reeder? It would make me extremely happy if he and all of his cronies would just retire to his ranch in Crawford and sit around and talk about how they raped and pillaged our country for the rest of their lives. ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/30 "2004-07-24T18:12:49Z")
> [@KGS](#): > > Ignorance is Strength. > War is Peace. > Freedom is Slavery. Coke is It. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/31 "2004-07-24T18:16:48Z")
… Some of us know that a person can change over the course of three decades… I guess Democrats just favor stagnation, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/32 "2004-07-24T18:29:25Z")
**SPOOFE** , I seem to recall that it was a large portion of the attacks on Bill Clinton were the words “draft-dodger.” Are you suggesting that Republicans are permitted to bring up 30-year-old military service records, but Democrats aren’t? ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/33 "2004-07-24T18:50:44Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > … Some of us know that a person can change over the course of three decades… > > I guess Democrats just favor stagnation, huh? To me it’s not what he did. Hell…I don’t give a good goddamn about what he did 30 years ago. Hell I drank and did every drug I could find. It’s the fact that he won’t come clean on anything. He throws up walls, blocks records anything he can do to hide it. All he would have had to do is own up to it. But he didn’t. It all goes back to honesty. But then of course were he to be honest it would alienate his religious base. He couldn’t have that now could he. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2004, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/34 "2004-07-24T18:51:31Z")
It’s the soft bigotry of lowered expectations. ---
**Author:** ![1010011010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/ea666f/32.png) [@1010011010](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1010011010)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/35 "2004-07-25T17:20:43Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Isn’t it possible that Bush hasn’t any control over these records being lost or found? I have copies of my orders, my evals, and my awards. I have the originals of things they’ve purged from my records. Granted this could be a new thing, or Dubya could have just thrown his away… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/36 "2004-07-25T17:24:12Z")
If you crave a truly exhaustive explication of the issues involved: [http://www.glcq.com/fraud.htm](http://www.glcq.com/fraud.htm) Warning: mind-numbingly comprehensive ---
**Author:** ![Earthworm\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f07891/32.png) [@Earthworm\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Earthworm_Jim)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2004, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/37 "2004-07-25T23:15:13Z")
> [@1010011010](#): > > I have copies of my orders, my evals, and my awards. I have the originals of things they’ve purged from my records. Granted this could be a new thing, or Dubya could have just thrown his away… By contrast, I **might** have my DD-214(?), but I wouldn’t swear to it. Other than that I got nothin… ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/38 "2004-07-26T00:47:54Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Coke is It. Less filling! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Llama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@The\_Llama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Llama)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/39 "2004-07-26T01:45:14Z")
_Disclaimer: This is a question, the answer to which can be yes, no, maybe, or I don’t know… not" you’re a fucking idiot for believing that." It’s just a thought._ Could it be that Geroge’s father hid the record. or had them hidden? He didn’t know his son was going to be prez. It might have been a move to keep the Bush name clean in general. Again, just a thought. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2004, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622/40 "2004-07-26T02:02:30Z")
Doesn’t this presume there’s something dirty to be hidden? How could one give a yes, no, maybe (and perhaps you should have included “not likely” in your choice of responses) answer to your question without knowing what sort of egregious behavior would be likely to have been expunged. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-give-me-a-fucking-break-duhbyas-military-records/256622.md?page=3)