# Oh Joy. I get Free Airfare for a Vacation WITH TRUMPISTS **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 8, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691 "2022-03-08T16:40:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/41 "2022-03-09T22:43:04Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > Would you really sacrifice family ties to the great orange idiot? I just don’t see it that way. Trump did a lot of awful things, but he didn’t make people support him. People chose to ignore the principles they either had or claimed to have. If I have to cut someone off, it’s because of them, not because of Trump. That said, I wouldn’t cut anyone off in this situation. If they don’t really talk about Trump anymore, I would tend to presume they’ve grown to not support him, but don’t want to admit it. I tend to assume the best in people. Plus often, even if someone is a full on supporter, you can reduce contact without completely burning bridges. There’s always the chance they’ll come back, or even that you could help them see the way. In your case, you also have other people around you’d like to see. It would be crappy to cut off all contact with them due to your aunt. As for the end of the world stuff: I wouldn’t pay that much mind. That’s just the way people in certain religious traditions are expressing the same anxiety we all have. We all worried about the pandemic. And we all have that worry that maybe this war leads to WWIII and causes massive damage. For them, the idea that it’s part of a divine plan is comforting. Plus, well, if they think the last days are upon us, maybe they’ll revisit the excuses they make for stuff they know is wrong. My advice isn’t really any different than that of others. Try to limit the conversation and time with them. Though maybe also mention how kindness is a better witness than pestering someone. If you converted only to get them to shut up, it obviously wouldn’t be a true conversion. I’ve actually seen some success with that argument—especially since often the proselytizer would rather not get into the uncomfortable conversation, either, but feel guilty if they don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/42 "2022-03-09T22:48:09Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Maybe I’m just more “aggressive”, but I don’t get this “nod and smile when my relatives spew BS” thing. Their opinions aren’t more valid than ours, so why should theirs get to roam free and ours get stifled? Get in their faces! Give 'em hell with facts, strike preemptively. It’s not about them having opinions that are more valid or giving them free roam. It’s about whether or not I choose to engage. It’s for my benefit not theirs. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2022, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/43 "2022-03-09T23:48:39Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > about whether or not I choose to engage No, really, you need to go beat your bare knuckles into a concrete wall for a full hour. We will think less of you if you do not (but still not offer to help with your medical bills for that). ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/44 "2022-03-10T00:05:17Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > Message Boards aside, not all Trump fans are evil. > > As **DavidNRockies** says, these decisions can be really, really complicated. > > As it happens, the decision is done, and I’m going. I just like to bitch. Surely, you’ve noticed? _Myyy peeeeople…!_ (I haven’t been bitching with anyone in person in way too long). Before getting together with my ‘Tightie Rightie’ mom over the holidays I said “I’d love to see you, _IF_ we can both promise to stay away from politics or religion. There are lots of other things to talk about…” And it worked! One of us would start straying across the line, and someone would pipe up “Now, now, you know the rules.” (Although occasionally mom would then try to ‘apologize’ by saying _“I’m sorry, but I just think you need to be aware…”)_ “Now, mommm… Hey, what’s up with Aaron Rodgers?” _“Wellll! I don’t think even he knows! Look what comes of dating actresses!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Honolulu\_Lulu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/87869e/32.png) [@Honolulu\_Lulu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honolulu_Lulu)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/45 "2022-03-10T00:49:09Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > Worse, they are active Jehovah’s Witnesses, and they see me as a stray sheep they must bring back into the fold. I once had a JW in my office start to talk religion. I told her, “If you’ll stop telling me how stupid my beliefs are, I won’t tell you how idiotic your religion is”. She said, “I never said your beliefs were stupid.”, I said, “You obviously think they’re stupid because you’re trying to convert me.” Yahweh’s name was never mentioned further in the two years we worked together. On a related note: When approached by LDS missionaries on the street, I tell them I want to discuss the Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1858. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/46 "2022-03-10T01:18:23Z")
> [@Honolulu\_Lulu](#): > > I tell them I want to discuss the Mountain Meadows Massacre of 1858. I tell them I used to be Mormom, but got better. My mom was excommunicated from the CoJCoLDS because she had da noive to marry a…_Catholic!_ ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/47 "2022-03-10T03:43:59Z")
Yeah, in the previous generation, one daughter married a Catholic and was shunned. The other married a Hindu and that was fine. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/48 "2022-03-10T12:28:29Z")
I had an aunt and uncle who used to live in Ogden. They said that the missionaries were always coming by to visit until they told them they were Catholic (they weren’t, I think they were maybe Presbyterian?). Do the Mormon’s have a particular problem with Catholics? ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/49 "2022-03-10T22:09:07Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > Because they’re good people, They aren’t. > [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > Oh c’mon, I can’t be the only Doper with Trumpist relations? Would you really sacrifice family ties to the great orange idiot? I have. No regrets. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691/50 "2022-03-10T23:31:01Z")
> [@Two\_Many\_Cats2](#): > > Oh c’mon, I can’t be the only Doper with Trumpist relations? Would you really sacrifice family ties to the great orange idiot? Because, if I did, I would be totally alone in this world. I have lots of family members and friends who are Trumpists. And many of them are good people. It takes a bit of effort to not challenge them on their ridiculous conspiracy theories, but somehow I find the strength to do so. It’s just not worth it to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-joy-i-get-free-airfare-for-a-vacation-with-trumpists/960691.md?page=2)