# Oh, lordy, this should be good: Moore visits O'Reilly tonight **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2004, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137 "2004-07-27T18:25:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/21 "2004-07-27T19:45:55Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Good question, Blow, I don’t know. There must be an online schedule for your cable or satellite, though. Anyway, I did find a clip. It must have been before they got warmed up good. Here, they’re arguing over who’s willing to sacrifice more lives to kill terrorists. 😃 > > [http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/index.html](http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/index.html) > > (Look for “Click here to watch a clip”) Interesting. O’Reilly now seems willing to admit that the WMD thing was a “mistake.” I notice he basically ducked Moore’s question about whether he’d be willing to sacrifice his own kid to get rid of a dicatator. My answer would be a hearty fuck no, btw. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/22 "2004-07-27T19:53:29Z")
But he flip-flopped on it, too. First he said it would depend on the situation. Then he suddenly said he wouldn’t speak for any children. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/23 "2004-07-27T19:59:20Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > So it’s already been recorded? Cool. I just hope Fox doesn’t edit it to make O’Reilly look better. I vaguely recall hearing somewhere that Moore refused to go on “The O’Reilly Factor” previously because they couldn’t assure him the interview would be live (and uneditable). If he’s sitting down with Bill now, I imagine he has some assurances in place that Fox won’t Benihana the footage beyond recognition. I’d like to see it, just to watch Moore gut O’Reilly like a fish. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/24 "2004-07-27T20:12:48Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > …I don’t care who wins, I’m just glad someone’s going to lose… In a debate forum, (whether it’s the presidential, message board or TV talking head variety), no one ever ‘_wins_’ or ‘_loses_’. Both sides walk away thinking they’ve won, and witnesses to such debates only have their pre-conceived notions reinforced. Even if Moore calls for construction of Soviet style re-education camps and O’Reilly calls for the extermination of all illegal aliens, I don’t see any of the ideologues opinion’s being changed. > [@mhendo](#): > > And, while you’re at the site, why not participate in O’Reilly’s poll of the day: "Who is worse? Michael Moore / Al Franken According to what I heard O’Reilly say last night (in a rebroadcast following the Fleet Center speeches) “Franken, though way behind in the ‘poll’ is, in his opinion far worse” (Paraphrased…and perhaps he used the word evil or dangerous). ---
**Author:** ![JohnBckWLD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JohnBckWLD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnBckWLD)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/25 "2004-07-27T20:23:55Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Interesting. O’Reilly now seems willing to admit that the WMD thing was a “mistake.” I’m not here to defend _B O’R_ , but [that’s old news](http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/bill-oreilly/) > [@](#): > > [ul] > [li]5 Jun 2003 On The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly declares: “Reasonable people are faced with two conclusions – one, that the intelligence was wrong, or, two, that more time is needed to find the weapons. Talking Points just asks one thing from President Bush: an update on the situation in the next few weeks. That’s a very reasonable request, and one the President must take seriously if he wants to advance the cause of the USA throughout the world. In the end, if the intelligence was faulty, some people have to be fired. If, God forbid, the intelligence was contrived, and I don’t believe that, but if it is proven, then Congressional action must be taken.” [/li][li]11 Jun 2003 On The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly declares: “It is possible the President did lie, but most of the credible evidence points to wishful thinking on WMDs, rather than outright deception. By the way, the President must tell us his feelings on the guerrilla action in Iraq and the WMDs, or risk losing popularity… We the people deserve an extensive update from the President before he goes on summer vacation. This is not a partisan issue. This is a people issue. There are things we have the right to know about, and the President must tell us.” [/li][li]31 Jul 2003 On The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly declares: “We’re confused about the WMDs. And Mr. Bush has an obligation to clear this up by the end of the year.”[/li][li]8 Oct 2003 During his appearance on the National Public Radio interview program Fresh Air, Bill O’Reilly declares: “Well, certainly the WMD situation is troubling, okay. All Americans should demand within the next nine months – before the Presidential candidate, uh candidates, really swing in – for an explanation of what exactly happened. Americans will accept mistakes if mistakes were made honestly, but it needs to be defined by the Bush administration why the intelligence was faulty. And, uh, you know, there is no spin on that. They have to do it.”[/li][li]10 Feb 2004 Still lacking any substantive explanations from the White House, Bill O’Reilly grudgingly apologizes on Good Morning America. [/li] > O’REILLY: Well, my analysis was wrong and I’m sorry. Absolutely, you know. > GIBSON: Camera’s right there. > O’REILLY: Um, and I’m not pleased about it. > GIBSON: Camera’s right there. > O’REILLY: Yeah, I just said it. What do you want me to do? Go over and kiss the camera?[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/26 "2004-07-27T20:24:14Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Heh. To be honest, this doesn’t sound likely to be any more edifying than a flamefest between, say, **Milroyj** and **Reeder** , yet somehow I feel compelled to tune in. Clearly, I need to get back on my medication. > > Oh, nurse! Three or four of the blue pills with the sparkly bits, and a glass of Jack Daniels to wash it down, stat! Well, that’s because you can only READ the words **milroyj** and **Reeder** are spewing at each other. In this case, we get to WATCH it, in all it’s colorful glory. I can’t wait! ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/27 "2004-07-27T20:30:30Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > [Klingon battle drums and heavy metal music] Actually, I hear that martial organ music used during cool fight scenes in _Star Trek_, especially while Kirk and Spock were going at in “Amok Time.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/28 "2004-07-27T20:33:46Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > I’m not here to defend _B O’R_ , but [that’s old news](http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/bill-oreilly/) Ok, well…it sounds like he’s still trying to spin in the most apologetic manner for Bush. That was a pretty chickenshit “apology,” btw, but I guess it’s still pretty unusual for O’Reilly. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/29 "2004-07-27T20:34:08Z")
Better yet-“Duel of the Fates”! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/30 "2004-07-27T20:38:10Z")
Andros, I loved Carrey’s rendition of that music in Cable Guy. He did a great Grace Slick imitation as well! > [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > In a debate forum, (whether it’s the presidential, message board or TV talking head variety), no one ever ‘wins’ or ‘loses’. Both sides walk away thinking they’ve won, and witnesses to such debates only have their pre-conceived notions reinforced. Even if Moore calls for construction of Soviet style re-education camps and O’Reilly calls for the extermination of all illegal aliens, I don’t see any of the ideologues opinion’s being changed. Yeah, I meant winner or loser among the folks here at Straight Dope. If Moore falls to his knees, concedes loss, and signs a statement that O’Reilly scored every point, 90% of the people here will spin it as a victory for Moore. But as I say, that’s fine by me. Few jackasses deserve derision more than O’Reilly. ---
**Author:** ![zoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/71c47a/32.png) [@zoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/31 "2004-07-27T20:54:35Z")
I never watch BO for more than a few minutes but I shall most certainly view tonight. Can anyone tell me who is to appear on the stage of the DNC at 8:00EDT ? ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/32 "2004-07-27T20:55:10Z")
[hijack] **Lib** , has your email changed at all? [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![vanilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/f19dbf/32.png) [@vanilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vanilla)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/33 "2004-07-27T21:01:24Z")
I saw a preview, neither of them were spitting. Wasn’t it just a few days ago that O’Reilly was yelling “Moore doesn’t have the guts to come on my show”? I will watch it, mostly. I am obviously a Moore supporter. I am more interested in watching Teresa tonight! Lets see HER debate O’Reilly! ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/34 "2004-07-27T21:10:24Z")
Any chance this will be aired online? I’d love to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/35 "2004-07-27T21:15:09Z")
Hmm… Not sure, Coldie. Check their website in the next day or so. There should at least be a transcript. Kal, yes. A couple months ago or so. Do you need it? ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/36 "2004-07-27T21:18:22Z")
Dammit, this is the first time in my life I actually am SAD for not having Fox News anymore over here. We used to, up until a few years ago. Now it’s NSBC. And CNN, of course. But that’s it, America-wise. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/37 "2004-07-27T21:21:10Z")
Did you check out the clip? That’ll at least give you a taste of it. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/38 "2004-07-27T21:23:41Z")
Don’t get you hopes up for the website, **Coldie**. There will be a “partial transcript,” and I’ve noticed in the past that they tend toward a little selective editing. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/39 "2004-07-27T21:26:37Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > This is an intellectual and ideological mismatch. The best O-Lie-ly can hope for is a draw, at worst he’ll be eviscerated. Ha, the worst he can hope for is RATINGS. He’s going to get them out the wazoo. People who hate either one of them will tune in to watch. This is shear Producing genius. At best (from O’Reilly’s perspective) he’ll distract people from the actual DNC and keep the focus off of Kerry/Edwards. It’s a win-win position for O’Reilly and Fox. Most people’s opinion of O’Reilly will not likely be changed by the outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/40 "2004-07-27T21:28:06Z")
I did see the clip. And while I’m skeptical on Moore, I think he’d have the best hand in this game of poker. O’Reilly will get too emotional because he has no other way. Moore only gets emotional to get a result in his “documentaries”, and might remain a lot cooler in an actual debate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137.md?page=3)