# Oh, lordy, this should be good: Moore visits O'Reilly tonight **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2004, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137 "2004-07-27T18:25:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/41 "2004-07-27T21:31:45Z")
You can read a little about how this came to be at Dan Perkins’s (aka Tom Tomorrow’s) blog at [This Modern World](http://www.thismodernworld.com). Apparently, O’Reilly agreed that they would alternate asking each other questions, the segment would not be edited, and he would lead in by explaining that Moore had been avoiding his show only because O’Reilly walked out of his movie. Should be priceless. Shame I don’t have cable–I’m sure I can catch the highlights later. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/42 "2004-07-27T21:33:13Z")
> [@zoo](#): > > I never watch BO for more than a few minutes but I shall most certainly view tonight. Can anyone tell me who is to appear on the stage of the DNC at 8:00EDT ? It’s hard to tell from the official site, Zoo. They give a whole slew of people from 7:00 to 9:00, after which the big names start, the first of which is Howard Dean. So, I don’t think you’ll miss much. 99 posts since August '99, huh? My, but you’re a chatty one. 😉 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/43 "2004-07-27T21:36:37Z")
> [@zoo](#): > > I never watch BO for more than a few minutes but I shall most certainly view tonight. Can anyone tell me who is to appear on the stage of the DNC at 8:00EDT ? [Here’s](http://www.dems2004.org/site/pp.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=130845) today’s schedule from the official DNC Convention site. It doesn’t sound like there’s any significant speakers going on until after 10:00 EDT. Ted Kennedy’s going to be on sometime early in the night but the headliners tonight are going to be Barack Obama and Theresa Heinz-Kerry. I think Theresa might give a pretty good speech. She’s a feisty woman. I see that Ron Reagan is supposed to make an appearance as well. That might be worth looking out for. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/44 "2004-07-27T21:40:27Z")
Simul! I agree that Ron would be worth seeing. He’s almost as good a speaker as his dad. I’ve heard him read his dad’s letters, and he brings them alive. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/45 "2004-07-27T21:45:30Z")
Had the strangest thought flit across the brainpan. What if O’Reilly is looking to back away from positions he’s identified with? Might the man actually possess some intellectual integrity? After all, Bill Buckely has been observed gingerly dipping his toe into the water, and in our own little incestuous universe, any number of Dopers have altered their positions. If that were the case, I’d expect him to pound a couple of points emphaticly, but adopt a “Well, you may be right about that, can’t actually prove otherwise…” sort of stance. You know, the one most commonly associated with sane folks. So its a date then, yes? Everybody here after the show. By two bit bet: MM stays cool and collected, facts at his fingertips, Bull O’Really loses it about twenty minutes in. Late enough in the show so he can cast out the infidel publicly, and not have too much dead air to fill. See ya then! ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/46 "2004-07-27T21:53:40Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Simul! I agree that Ron would be worth seeing. He’s almost as good a speaker as his dad. I’ve heard him read his dad’s letters, and he brings them alive. Yeah, he’s a sharp and likable guy. He also manages to be center to left politically while maintaining a lot of pride and respect for his dad. I think he’ll be more interesting to listen to than Teddy. Dean could be intriguing if he goes postal on Bush, but I have no doubt they’re vetting the crap out him before they let him go on. ---
**Author:** ![annaplurabelle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/919ad9/32.png) [@annaplurabelle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/annaplurabelle)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/47 "2004-07-27T22:18:38Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Don’t get you hopes up for the website, **Coldie**. There will be a “partial transcript,” and I’ve noticed in the past that they tend toward a little selective editing. Drudge has the transcript (edited?) online _now_: [http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc4.htm](http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc4.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/48 "2004-07-27T22:39:25Z")
Lib, yes. If you don’t mind. * * * Thanks for the link, annaplurabelle. Now I want to watch the bloody thing even more, damn it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/49 "2004-07-27T22:42:01Z")
that was a little disappointing. I give the edge to Moore but it wasn’t a knockout. So, according to BO, Bush didn’t lie, he just said something that wasn’t true and it was a mistake, and he wouldn’t send his own kid to die for Fallujah. It was really a kindergarten cheap shot for O’Reilly to accuse Moore of being Saddam’s “biggest defender,” and it was incredibly lame for BO to keep trying to pretend that the Iraq war had anything to do with terrorism. Moore didn’t hammer him as hard as he could have, though. Of course, O’Reilly is a psycho so maybe MM was a little bit nervous about pushing his buttons. ---
**Author:** ![zoo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/71c47a/32.png) [@zoo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoo)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/50 "2004-07-27T22:51:55Z")
100 posts, woo-hoo!!! Thank you **Liberal** and **Diogenes** for your thoughtful replies. As for my posting frequency, I have very few thoughts\opinions that are not expressed more articulately by other dopers. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/51 "2004-07-27T23:04:10Z")
> [@](#): > > I notice he basically ducked Moore’s question about whether he’d be willing to sacrifice his own kid to get rid of a dicatator. As well he should have. What kind of twisted, heartless monster would think that parents should make that sort of decision for their kids? Aren’t 18-year olds capable of thinking for themselves? I guess Democrats just aren’t pro-choice… ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/52 "2004-07-27T23:13:59Z")
I don’t see as where either one of them really got anywhere. I agree that Oreilly’s cry of Saddamite belittled Oreilly. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/53 "2004-07-27T23:23:25Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > As well he should have. What kind of twisted, heartless monster would think that parents should make that sort of decision for their kids? Aren’t 18-year olds capable of thinking for themselves? George W. Bush made that decision for other people’s kids. It was a fair question. When people join the military they are entrusting the CIC not to put them in harm’s way unless it’s absolutely necessary. It’s fair to ask BO as a Bush water boy if he would think that Fallujah was worth sacrificing his own kid for. Since BO thinks it was worth sacrificing other people’s kids for, there’s nothing unreasonable about asking him that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/54 "2004-07-27T23:25:49Z")
Another thing: let’s not forget the thousands of civilians which have been killed in Iraq. Many, many, many of them have been absolute innocents with no power of “choice” at all. Bill O’Reill and GWB are happy to bomb other people’s babies so it’s fair to ask if they would bomb their own babies. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/55 "2004-07-27T23:40:34Z")
I think you guys looking for earth shattering fireworks are going to be very disappointed. T-minus 20 minutes and counting… ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2004, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/56 "2004-07-27T23:49:21Z")
> [@JohnBckWLD](#): > > According to what I heard O’Reilly say last night (in a rebroadcast following the Fleet Center speeches) “Franken, though way behind in the ‘poll’ is, in his opinion far worse” “…because he repeatedly kicks my ass with ease.” 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/57 "2004-07-28T00:07:49Z")
> [@](#): > > George W. Bush made that decision for other people’s kids. Find me a single person in the United States military that was forced by George W. Bush to sign up, and I’ll give you a blowjob. I’ll even swallow. ---
**Author:** ![Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f04885/32.png) [@Ninja\_Pizza\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ninja_Pizza_Guy)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/58 "2004-07-28T00:15:59Z")
This line caught my eye: > [@](#): > > 11 Jun 2003 On The O’Reilly Factor, Bill O’Reilly declares: “It is possible the President did lie, **but most of the credible evidence points to wishful thinking on WMDs** , rather than outright deception. By the way, the President must tell us his feelings on the guerrilla action in Iraq and the WMDs, or risk losing popularity… We the people deserve an extensive update from the President before he goes on summer vacation. This is not a partisan issue. This is a people issue. There are things we have the right to know about, and the President must tell us.” (bolding mine) Telling us there really, truly were WMD’s was **wistful thinking**? WTF? Someone **wanted** there to be WMD’s? I say again my last: **WTF?** 😕 ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/59 "2004-07-28T00:21:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Telling us there really, truly were WMD’s was wistful thinking? Overexuberance? Overconfidence? Paying too much attention to the past seven or eight years of world leaders saying, “Yeah, Iraq’s got WMD’s?” Further, why do you focus on that point rather than the ACTUAL substance of the quote? Y’know, the “not outright deception” part? The whole “not outright deception” part that the 9/11 commission agrees with? ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2004, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137/60 "2004-07-28T00:24:28Z")
> [@SPOOFE](#): > > Find me a single person in the United States military that was forced by George W. Bush to sign up, and I’ll give you a blowjob. I’ll even swallow. What about the Iraqi civilians who didn’t sign up for shit? Is that worth at least a hand job? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/oh-lordy-this-should-be-good-moore-visits-oreilly-tonight/257137.md?page=4)